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in different social networks I often see a table of fediverse alternatives to centralized social networks like twitter = mastodon and so on, but I noticed that the alternative to reddit is piefed and not lemmy, can someone explain what kind of fediverse project this is, and is it different from lemmy?🤔
I've tried them both along with a few different lemmy instances and found .today on lemmy is my best fit.
Since others have covered the technical angle, I'll say I prefer lemmy from a social perspective. My instance doesn't block other instances, banning users only for extreme cases. I prefer to choose my experience for myself without being ideologically guided by someone else's values.
For all the criticisms of the lemmy developers, their biases don't make it into the code. Instances are run according to the admins and user's wishes, which allows .today to operate as openly as possible. Piefed, on the other hand, suffers from the biases of its developer, who not only blocks users but also instances of admins who don't align with them. They have passed along their ban list to other admins as well, getting users banned for disagreeing with them. That's not the behavior of someone I want running my platform of choice.
Along with that. I, personally, don't like the idea of reputation, low score flags, karma or any system based on the votes of users, since they can be easily manipulated. It feels like Piefed is trying to implement a more intense karma system, which was one of my main problems with reddit. I believe each post and comment should stand on its own merit.
Good point. If there is a karma system, the main activity for a sizeable (and by definition overrepresented) chunk of the user base will just use the platform to maximize karma, whether for nefarious purposes or just because people treat gamified systems like games. Having real user registrations (so you can block individual users) as opposed to a 4chan like thing, but having no karma system or engagement optimization algorithm in the feed, are the requirements for a healthy forum.
I'd disagree on that:
Slashdot's moderation & metamoderation system was better than any system without metamoderation,
& reddit's idiotic you-can-post-or-comment-to-collect-karma-and-delete-your-post-or-comment-keeping-your-karma .. distortion .. isn't something that's intrinsic to karma-systems: they made it intrinsic to their system by choice, which is different.
I'd have it so that if someone tries karma-farming, the instant they delete the posts/comments, all the karma from those disappears, right then.
( actually, I'd have it so that nothing can be deleted, & revisions are limited to 8 or 16 per post/comment: accountability requires that disappearing-of-history not be permitted )
Also, Slashdot had multiple, not only up/down, kinds of votes..
That's required, too..
Being unable to simultaneously vote that something is wrong & that it needs more eyes on it.. is obstruction.
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It’s not like you can detect “if someone tries karma farming”. If the platform displays a measure of engagement with content that a user posts, users will be driven to post things that get them points. Then if the platform uses said metric to rank content, that unavoidably leads to a setup where users look at content posted for the purpose of getting points. Btw lemmy.world is also not free from this, people repost engagement bait stupid shit from Reddit to asklemmy all the time, and those get many upvotes and comments. But at least the users that post these don’t get any meta-post outcomes.
I'm not saying that ALL karma-farming is machine-catchable by ML or simple rules..
I AM saying that a subset of it absolutely is:
I've read that people make statements, then have 50 of their "alts" downvote the others in the discussion, while upvoting them..
That absolutely is platform-detectable, if it's coded-in.
Further, the reddit tradition of posting-for-karma-farming, then deleting once the karma's accrued, keeping the karma is specifically what I called-out, & that can be corrected by deleting the karma along with the content-that-had-karma.
That should be idiot-level requirement, to prevent karma-farming abuse.
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