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[Louis Rossman] Bambu labs threatened to send this developer to prison, so I'm hosting his code instead (www.youtube.com)

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[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 26 points 5 days ago (8 children)

There a lot going on there. This link is one of the better write-ups.

Basically it comes down to misrepresenting funding/donations. Misrepresenting licensing. And open association with tech bro fascists like Yarvin. Rossman has had issues in the past himself. Though small enough and few enough outside his association with futo to not be too problematic. Enough that I can support his right to repair work. Just not Futo.

[+] BehavioralClam@lemmy.world -10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

I'm sorry, I tried to digest that write-up, but its just a spiteful personal wall of bs full of fringe leftist commentary and hate; the dude can't hold himself from insulting anyone he names in there because they somehow don't share his whatever perfect view of how everything is supposed to be. I can't take this kind of bs, i didn't even got to the third paragraph and already wanted to slap the guy and tell him to chill-dfq-off lmao.

If someone has a point, make the point, prove it, and then come up with the opinion based on that. (Like X did Y, hence X is an asshole.)

But in this case its quite clear the writeup is an "opinion first" look for proofs after situation.

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I was able to read through it and it doesn't seem to be full of opinionated hate I think. Their main criticisms of FUTO seem to be:

their explicit disregard for the Open Source Initiative while still claiming to support open source
how a small and quiet one-time donation to a specific contributer earns a large and reputable project a position as a "grant" without their permission (mentioning musl libc as an example)
Eron Wolf (the founder of FUTO) having a good relationship with and platforming Curtis Yarvin, who, as the author of the article describes, a "mask-off" self-proclaimed fascist. Yarvin believes in an "authoritarian techno-monarchy" needs to replace democracy (yikes), and he also claims that black people are dumber than white people
- Doing a bit more searching and checking additional sources, yeah, this Yarvin guy really is insane. Half his Wikipedia article is just running down his beliefs, like how he thinks liberal democracy is a "totalitarian Matrix", his defense of slavery and eugenics, and if it wasn't clear enough, he believes WWII only started because Hitler acted in self-defense
A debate between Yarvin and Rossman was published on the FUTO channel that essentially let Yarvin share his nutty fascist views to a wider audience (esp. with Rossman being a very public figure in the right to repair movement)

The article isn't all negative though. They like that FUTO supports Immich and other projects like it. They also note in an update that FUTO has changed their "grants" page to make the different between large grants and small one time donations, with projects like musl libc now being smaller and lacking a large prominent logo.

Also of note, Rossman has left FUTO, as somebody else has noted. I don't think Rossman is a bad person, I feel like he was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong people. That's just my thoughts though.

[–] BehavioralClam@lemmy.world -4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

You can disregard OS and still contribute to it due to financial and corporative sense. The principle works as an evolutive algorithm and is ideologically agnostic. You don't need to like FB or China for contributing to OS, they just do because it's in their interests, and it's in our interest, so whatever works.

Just use the code, fork it if you want to maintain it, and that's it.

Going into these Puritan rants, twitter dramas, and character attacks will not write you code, nor make one better at writing it.

Donating to FUTO will not make them rich, it just supports their projects and interest in keeping them up. You don't need to love them or agree with their views.

If they at some point deviate and go proprietary, anyone is free to fork their work till that point and continue. And someone will probably do.

See no reason on wasting time on dissecatting people, much less corporatist preachers.

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You don't need to love them or agree with their views.

Let's check out some this Yarvin guy's views:

liberal democracy is a Matrix-like totalitarian system, it must be replaced with a "authoritarian technocratic monarchy" (that is, a monarchy headed by a dictatorial CEO)
He believes that this CEO-dictator should consolidate power and "fire all the bureaucrats", calling this movement "RAGE" (remove all government employees, yikes!)
he thinks that white people are inherently smarter than black people and supports eugenics
"Hitler only acted in self-defense!"
In response to the 2011 terrorist attacks by neo-Nazis in Norway, he critiqued them not because lots of people were killed, including children, but because "it would not be effective to overthrow Norway's communist government"
he's a supported of modern day slavery, and he believes that "some races are more suited to be slaves"

sources if you need them:

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Curtis-Yarvin

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/30/curtis-yarvins-ideas-00201552 (interview with Yarvin)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/21/curtis-yarvin-trump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin (yes, Wikipedia, I know. It's got good info and some of the sources it linked to has more information)

https://theconversation.com/friday-essay-trumps-reign-fits-curtis-yarvins-blueprint-of-a-ceo-led-american-monarchy-what-is-technological-fascism-256202

[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Donating to FUTO will not make them rich, it just supports their projects and interest in keeping them up. You don't need to love them or agree with their views.

I only stated what the article said. I believe that funding of community maintained projects, by FUTO or otherwise, is great! But personally, I hope this is a popular opinion, but I personally wouldn't give money to a company that platforms an actual self-proclaimed fascist. Everything I've heard about that Yarvin guy is pure insanity! I would prefer to directly support the projects that I care about.

You don't need to like FB or China for contributing to OS, they just do because it's in their interests, and it's in our interest, so whatever works.

What, so you think donating money to Facebook is helping to support the open-source movement? And what does CCP have to do with this? Their open-source approach mainly focuses on their domestic market, particularly for governmental purposes where they don't want American bigcorps to peer into (anything from messenging clients to military technologies would fit into that)

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