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[–] Jaycifer@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But knowing that zoom backgrounds exist, would a properly conscientious philosopher hold a belief on whether it is the real background?

[–] cadmiumsandbox@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

depends, i know and work in 3d realism vfx stuff, and sometimes i get fooled if a background is real or just a render

[–] Jaycifer@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m not debating whether the philosopher is fooled by the background, but whether they would decide they could properly justify holding a belief that you are using a digital background or not in the first place, knowing that digital backgrounds exist. I suppose if they had seen your room in person to know what it looks like, seen one video instance where the digital background had a door open and then you altered the render for the next meeting to have the door shut, that may convince the philosopher to believe that they are looking at actual footage of your background.

But at that point, the philosopher would have a justified false belief that they are looking at your background, rather than the unjustified true belief that it is a digital render of the same background.

This where I stop addressing you directly and start rambling about my feelings on the topic at large. Having read Gettier’s original paper as well as Elizabeth Zagzebski’s On Epistemology which discusses justified true belief (JTB) and feeling strongly enough to get a short paper published on the matter, I think people generally have an unhealthy fear of holding justified false beliefs. In Zagzebski’s book she lays out a few modern attempts to “fix” JTB, and I can’t remember the term for any of them because they all boil down to JTB, but with an extra word affixed to the front that means making sure you really justify your belief. But any attempt to justify your justification is really just a form of justification and therefore already part of the J of JTB. Sometimes you can do everything right and still end up wrong.

[–] cadmiumsandbox@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

i do agree with the later, people do be kinda too fixated on making sure they aren't holding justified false beliefs. my personal belief is that everyone (including me) are scared of uncertainty. trying to live with the idea that u cant be certain about ur beliefs is scary

[–] Jaycifer@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, that all lines up with what I’ve read. The philosopher William Clifford argued that we should ensure certainty of all beliefs, his example being ensuring you have a JTB that a sailing ship is seaworthy before putting it out to sea. William James later argued that, while justification is important, the passion for truth should outweigh the fear of being wrong.

Reading On Epistemology, I learned the term conscientious belief, or a belief that one holds while acknowledging the possibility of it being wrong. In practice, I think that translates belief to mean something you act on or live your life as though it is true until finding a reason to reconsider. It still requires accepting that fear of uncertainty though.