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[–] SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

In a civilized society we don't let victims pick the punishment, because we want to apply rational laws that are not based on vengeance.

Correct. So if you don't properly apply those rational laws, you get vengeance. That's the deal. None of this victim-blaming nonsense.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That victim-blaming label is something you pulled out of a dark orifice. I am not blaming anyone. I am just saying that we as a society don't let victims dole out punishments. No matter how satisfying it sometimes might feel.

[–] SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I am just saying that we as a society

And you keep missing the part where "society" isn't society-ing and has failed someone in the worst way. I'm saying that when this happens, it's the failure of society to do what it's meant to do that is to blame, not the victim who got shit on by said society and had no other choice for their own health and safety but to do something very uncivilized.

Please get it this time because I'm not going to circle back and explain it again.

Edit: What's all this "we" shit anyway? You live in Germany, not the US, and you got plenty of societal issues of your own right now, so this high horse bullshit isn't gonna fly here.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oh fuck off with your what aboutism. I commented on the text in the image, which made it sound like someone murdered their rapist after a court let him go. And I will disagree with that kind of vigilante justice on principle. It might be understandable, I might not even be sad, but it's not something a civilized society can tolerate. I hope you finally understand that.

[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

Why can a civilized society release a rapist out in to the streets, but can't grant clemency to the person to made said streets safer? Does that sound civilized to you?

[–] SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I commented on the text in the image, which made it sound like someone murdered their rapist after a court let him go.

That is what happened.

And I will disagree with that kind of vigilante justice on principle.

On that we can agree. But your principles, and actual realistic expectations do not agree on this. I understand this and you don't seem to.

It might be understandable, I might not even be sad, but it's not something a civilized society can tolerate.

There you go, circling back again. So we can tolerate the rapist going free, but not the woman he raped making up for society having already failed to stop him? This convo is over.