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[–] urandom@lemmy.world 109 points 1 day ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

Isn't he a convicted rapist? Surely that means he's in fact a rapist

Edit: thanks to all the people pointing out that he wasn’t convicted

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 58 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

He wasn't convicted of the crime of rape because he hasn't, to date, been criminally charged with rape. He was sued civilly by E. Jean Carroll for sexual abuse and defamation, and found by a jury liable for both acts. Which means the jury found that sufficient evidence existed that he did sexually abuse her even without a criminal conviction for rape.

The judge later clarified that the acts that the the jury found him liable for, forcible penetration of the vagina with his fingers, do constitute first degree rape under New York law. And first degree rape in New York has no statute of limitations. Were he to be tried for rape, the evidence in the civil suit would be admissible and he would almost certainly be convicted of rape. Weird that hasn't happened, but here we are.

So technically, he is not a convicted rapist as he has yet to be criminally charged and tried for rape. But he has also been determined by a court and a jury to have absolutely sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in a manner that constitutes rape under New York law. "Rapist love this one weird loophole."

[–] Snowies@lemmy.zip 42 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

He paid her 78 million dollars specifically so that he wouldn’t have to take a DNA test to prove his innocence.

Hmmmm

[–] jve@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I missed something. What dna were they going to test that could influence a case for a crime that occurred 30 years ago?

E. Jean Carroll requested a DNA sample from Donald Trump in 2020 to compare with unidentified male DNA found on the dress she allegedly wore during a 1990s sexual assault.

Well there you go.

EDIT: added some googling.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

He was found civily liable for sexual assault by a jury. It means a jury said he did it, but it's not actually a conviction because civil suits are between private parties whereas criminal cases are between the defendant and society. They also have very different methods of punishment, as they pursue different goals.

In criminal court, the prosecutors seek punitive damages. It usually takes the form of a fine or a prison sentence. In civil court, the plaintiff (who can also be the government) seeks relief in the form of compensation for damages or an order to do something, undo something, or stop doing something. You can't

This makes sense when you think about it. Let's say you get pulled over for speeding. You didn't actually cause any damage, you can't undo having sped, and since you were pulled over you've already stopped speeding. So the state's options are pretty much limited to punishment for having committed the crime. And once you've paid the ticket, the matter is resolved.

But what if instead of speeding, you build a building that extends beyond your property line and into a public street? Criminal statues allow for a fine, but that's about it. Cities can even do daily fines, but rich people can just pay the fine and effectively take control of public land.

For that, you need to go through the Civil process, because in the civil system the goal isn't justice or punishment, but relief. Instead of getting fines, the government can get an order from a judge requiring the building to be removed, and even to allow the government to bulldoze the building and bill the landowner for the expense of the demo and remediation.

This is why, unless you're looking at a felony, you'd rather have the government take you to criminal court than civil.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 13 points 22 hours ago

Civil court is a much lower bar of proof. But yeah he received a civil liability judgement.