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[–] NannerBanner@literature.cafe 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know if it was 90%, but I think he may be getting confused with the polled opinion of israelis support for action in gaza.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

with the polled opinion of israelis support for action in gaza.

There's still lots of confusion with those polls, because there's an absolute insane amount of propaganda.

And for whatever reason, people still do t seem to even understand what propaganda means.

It's not just something you'd read and think Israel is better, just like Bibi wants to conflate Judaism with Israel, he wants everyone outside Israel to think it's a united front.

Bibi is 100% ok with me and you thinking he's a genocidal maniac...

As long as we think every Israeli is too. Because then we stop talking about getting him out of power and in jail, and uninformed people start talking about treating all of Israel like theyre the problem and suddenly the united front has been "means tested" into fighting each other.

Fucking ignorance is bliss man, all this shit is as easily noticable to me as how a kid shouldn't touch a hot stove

I had good luck in this thread yesterday so I'm optimistic that made sense. If not tho, I can try to answer from follow ups.

This is bigger than Israel, it's one of the most common form of propaganda: divide your enemies.

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Israeli citizens require a lot of deprogramming, and they are mostly saveable.

However, the bad news is that it may not be possible to do that without invading the country, since a majority of them are too far gone to accept deprogramming without serious coercion.

I look at the example of deprogramming efforts in West Germany after WW2. Denazifying efforts did exist there, despite modern western communist revisionism (not all wrong, btw, but not all correct either, check ALL sources my ML and tankie friends). It was quite difficult in many cases; even though a majority of the German population was just relieved that the war was over, they would have kept resisting if their country had survived. And there was a sizeable minority that only stopped being Nazis openly to avoid persecution.

Edit: and to be clear, I share your view that writing victims of propaganda off as enemies not deserving of leniency is monstrous. It is akin to what the fascists do. We must recognise the humanity in our enemies, while accepting that sometimes it is still necessary to kill them.

We must only kill the poor bastards if it is necessary to stop them murdering others, not just because they are "monsters" and it feels good.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Israeli citizens require a lot of deprogramming, and they are mostly saveable

If that was true, that the majority need deprogramming...

Why does Bibi keep cancelling elections due to his faction not standing a chance of winning again?

Like, you do realize the reason he keeps starting wars is that this is his ex use to stay in power because his citizens don't want him in power?

Some do, some do in every country

But the majority don't want this path, youre operating under Bibi's propaganda that he has total support.

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are discounting the idea that a lot of voters think Bibi is not killing enough.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By "a lot"...

Do you mean "not enough to win an election since 2021?"

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Quite possible. It's double figures at least, according to polls.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It’s double figures at least

You think 10% is a majority?

according to polls.

What polls?

It feels like you're just saying whatever you want with no regard to reality...

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

If you don't want to look them up, that doesn't mean they don't exist. However, since I don't want to be some sort of asshole here, asserting things without evidence: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2026/04/israels-perpetual-mobilization-limits-netanyahus-super-sparta-model

This page casts a limited light on what we were discussing, but gives you an idea on how many Israelis don't believe the govt is going far enough when fighting its enemies.

As you can see, it is about the current war with Lebanon, but I have seen many stories that cite similar results about Gaza or the West Bank. A few minutes on Google will confirm that.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is your claim that this video is a completely inaccurate hit piece then?

https://youtu.be/hLQbPCvV8W8

Searching "I went to Israel" didn't have it in the top 25 results, can't imagine why since the goal is to make us see all Israelis as the problem apparently.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is your claim that this video is a completely inaccurate hit piece then?

Did you really just fucking ask if my existing comment was a response to some random ass YouTube video that hasn't been brought up or linked yet?

How could it possibly be?

Searching “I went to Israel” didn’t have it in the top 25 results, can’t imagine why since the goal is to make us see all Israelis as the problem apparently.

Like...

What are you even fucking talking about?

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like your claim is that Israelis overwhelmingly don't support the regime, that video is a series of man on the street interviews.

Sorry to inconvenience you so terribly, but most Israelis seem to be intensely racist toward arabs and in favor of the greater Israel project.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that video is a series of man on the street interviews.

...

And you don't think one of those could be heavily biased?

but most Israelis seem to be intensely racist toward arabs and in favor of the greater Israel project.

Because you're getting your information from propaganda...

Bibi wants people to think everyone in Israel supports him, and that any criticism of him is a criticism of every Israeli...

And you seem to genuinely believe that, or there's another reason you're spreading propaganda to make Bibi seem more powerful than he is...

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It seems a touch unlikely that the Israeli regime has a pair of ~16 year old girls wandering around looking for journalists they can tell exterminationist rhetoric to then giggle.

But hey. Maybe so.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

...

Let's say I want people to think "the moon doesn't exist" is a popular belief in Chicago...

If I took a survey, we'd see that almost no one is that stupid.

But I really want people to think that "there is no moon" is common belief, at least in Chicago.

So I ask 10,000 people over 3 months.

Then I air a clip where I ask "10 people on the street". And I air the only 9 people who said there's no moon. And one guy who says it doesn't matter.

You would take that as 90% of people in Chicago think there's no moon and the rest just don't care..

Which is why I keep telling you:

No "man on the street" video should be trusted and the people making them are idiots or think their viewers are

Does fucking any of this starting to make the teeniest bit of sense to you?

I legitimately can't think of how to make this simpler.

You know what real polls show, you know why your video is bullshit...

But you just keep repeating it has to be true because it reinforced your beliefs

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

So we're back around the the original thrust of the comment. And you think that the video is an unfounded hit piece.

Here's some polls. Post me a poll. Post me a video.

Don't give me some literal Alex Jones level conspiracy gobbltey guk about the moon.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

So we’re back around the the original thrust of the comment

Yes...

You keep going in circles and repeating propaganda...

It's clear logic isn't going to help you, and you're just going to keep spreading Bibi's pro-Israel propaganda because you're somehow (maybe intentionally) incapable of understanding that it is propaganda.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

Brother I understand all art is propaganda.

Provide me a source, of any kind.

Everyone who disagrees with me is a shill is a bad look.