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https://hexbear.net/post/253926
I dunno what instance you think I'm talking about but literally hexbear users saying shit like:
Is not pro Ukrainian, it's russian propaganda.
You might need to check and see if the hexbear I'm talking about is the same one you are thinking of.
I'm not here discussing your support for Ukrainians, I have family in Ukraine, so thank you for taking refugees in.
Great, so now you're moving the goalposts from hexbear users saying "Ukrainians should be wiped out" to "the Ukrainian government has a Nazi problem", at least you realized how utterly ridiculous your first claim was.
Also, "not that Russia's invasion had anything to do with that" is literally the opposite of Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda explicitly claims that the purpose of the invasion was to denazify Ukraine's government, so claiming that the invasion had nothing to do with that is explicitly saying that the propaganda is false.
It's a much more sensible and reasonable claim about politics and geopolitics that doesn't wish any evil on Ukrainians, as I originally argued. You may disagree with it as I said, but again, idk why you feel so compelled to bring this whataboutism in a post about fundraising for Palestine. It seems to me that you couldn't easily find anything contradicting what I said, so you moved the goalposts and tried to make it sound different?
Edit: holy shit you're being disingenuous, the post you're quoting literally says the following: "the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers" right before what you pasted here. I will now proceed to disengage with you because you just proved to me that you're not arguing in good faith, you're making shit up, moving the goalposts and cherrypicking quotes then misinterpreting them willingly.
https://hexbear.net/post/228858
You're blind if you think they're pro-ukrainian there.
It takes 2 seconds to find shit like this all over hexbear.
Hexbear is trash and a stain on the fediverse. They give it a bad name and is why the mass majority of instances have defederated from them.
They are correct, though, and they're not arguing for elimination of Ukrainians, they're disagreeing with the modern, western-manufactured idea of the "holodomor" as a willing manmade famine directed to Ukraine in particular with the intention of ethnic cleansing, which is entirely unsupported and a fringe position in actual modern evidence-based historiographical analysis. There was a USSR-wide famine due to unforeseen consequences of rapid collectivization, which had to be carried out this way to pursue the rapid industrialization that saved all Slavic ethnicities from being exterminated by Nazis. This rapid collectivization and industrialization ended up saving a hundred million lives from extermination at the hands of Nazism, and also gave rise to unprecedented life expectancy in the region through the elimination of famines altogether after that (excluding ww2), which were previously commonplace throughout the history of the region.
The argument is not "fuck Ukrainians, they deserved the holodomor", it's "I'm angry when I have to constantly engage with the western-manufactured and nazi-peddled conspiracy theories of genocide against Ukrainians during the Soviet Union". You surely understand that the user is angry at this.
If you're interested and worried about the well-being of Ukrainian people, we can argue if you want about the biggest demographic crisis in Ukraine since WW2, which has been the transition to capitalism:
Suffice it to say, I dont support the state model of the current Russian Republic, and I honestly believe that Ukrainians lived better under Socialism than they do now, they were already the most impoverished nation in Europe before the war after 30 years of neoliberalism and corruption. Now they've gone from being an industrial powerhouse of the USSR with guaranteed healthcare, education, housing and employment, to being a playground for war games of the Russian Republic and the western empire.
Yea... we're done here.
As I said:
It seems that you're not genuinely interested in that and you're arguing purely in nationalist terms, so yeah, you've proven your bad faith and your lack of willingness to discuss the current issues of Ukraine outside your pro-western framework. So yeah, I guess we are done.
Tankie logic.
Thought-terminating cliche, easier to disregard someone with coherent arguments and a humane outlook on Ukraine than to engage in a framework contradicting the propaganda in your nation's terms. I've explicitly told you how I've hosted Ukrainian refugees in my home, and I haven't told you how much I've donated to Ukrainian individuals, but you'd rather disregard me as a "Ukrainian hater" despite my actions.
Sure thing...you keep spewing that russian propaganda...
Second thought-terminating cliche in a row!
I keep spewing the Russian propaganda such as me denying that the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine was to curb Nazism and arguing that that's just propaganda to justify it internally?
I provided links and users...and you denied it....
Hell their is even a user in this comment that's saying Zelenskyy is a Zionist but also that Ukraine is filled with Nazis...make that one work.
You cherrypicked quotes from users and misinterpreted what they say, after moving the goalposts from your initial statement.
No...no I didn't but ok.
You made claims you didn't back up and moved the goal posts twice, and finally resolved to calling them a tankie.
You're "pro Ukraine" in the same way Zionists are "pro Israel", they cannot do wrong and they cannot be criticized. Anyone who criticizes Ukraine is a Russian tankie bot.
Ukraine does have a Nazi history and a Nazi problem, and that's separate from and not a defense of Russia or Putin, and rejecting it as tankie logic simply because Putin used it as a talking point is intellectually dishonest.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
And Zelenski is an unapologetic genocide supporting Zionist, why would anyone collecting funds for victims of Israeli genocide also collect funds for its cheerleaders.
We can accept that Russia is wrong and Putin is evil and the war on Ukraine is bad without sanctifying Ukraine and pretending it has no problems.
He must have posted over on his hexbear account.
Tankie brigade is here to make sure everyone knows that they think ukraine is filled with Nazis...and now Zelenskyy is a Zionist...tankies gonna tank I guess.
Another one added to the tag group.
Jesus Christ you're hopeless.
I even provided a liberal western media source for you, but you're right, suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews) is tankie brigading.
And dismissing that zelenski is a Zionist is... I don't even know how to label that, you're just shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALA TANKIE TANKIE TANKIE".
So does russia also have a nazi problem then? Where they allied with hitler? Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?
And if I can remember correctly....jews aren't exactly fans of nazis...or are you one of those Holocaust deniers as well?
I have not once defended Russia or their war on Ukraine, I simply said Ukraine is not perfect, and that it's really stupid to keep calling people tankies simply for criticizing it.
Not particularly. Russia/the RSFSR is generally understood as a major victim of Nazi Germany, even though some Russians did collaborate. That is different from saying Russia had the same kind of widespread Nazi collaboration problem seen in some other occupied regions.
https://encyclopedia.yivo.org/article/2015
The USSR was, temporarily. The Nazi-Soviet pact in 1939 was a real agreement, and it helped enable the joint destruction of Poland. But that does not erase the fact that the RSFSR was later invaded by Nazi Germany and suffered enormously, including over 119,000 Jewish victims in the occupied parts of Soviet Russia. So no, “Russians suffered under Nazism” and “the USSR collaborated with Hitler before 1941” are both true.
Is it tankie shit to read history books? The Red Army liberated Auschwitz!
You calling me a tankie doesn't change facts or history. Russia invading Ukraine is bad.
Historically, there was substantial Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazi occupation, including the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police, which Yad Vashem says assisted German forces in anti-Jewish operations and other repressive actions, while the Holocaust in Ukraine was one of the main killing grounds of the entire genocide.
FSR was mainly on the receiving end of Nazi occupation and mass murder. Ukraine, by contrast, was not only a major killing ground of the Holocaust but also saw meaningful local collaboration, and it still has a real far-right problem today. Freedom House has explicitly described far-right extremism in Ukraine as a threat to Ukrainian democracy and documented violent intimidation by right-wing radical groups.
That doesn’t make all Ukrainians Nazis; it just means the history and the present are uglier than the usual clean nationalist story. And calling people tankies for criticizing Ukraine or Zelenski is really, really, stupid.
You mean 'The Ukraine', as in, a member state of the USSR as it existed at that time, and not 'Ukraine' a sovereign country, which it has been since 1991.
Because changing the country magically erases its crimes and changes the racism and hatred in its people?
Yeah... And Russia is no longer in the USSR, all good there, nothing to see. New country new history.