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How about we don't plan them and just do them? Hold out for weeks, don't buy anything and if anybody hasn't filed taxes at this point, don't file them?
Seems like planning protests just gives the opposition time to prepare and counteract protests.
Oh shit, are the american people about to go there?
Because that is some rad 1773 shit lol
Not filing taxes isn't the way to do it. They'd have to request that their employers stop withholding taxes on their paychecks. Filing taxes is just how they get their excess tax withholdings refunded.
So... your idea is to have an organized general strike that includes everyone while not informing anyone ahead of time?
Yeah, it's called doing real work.
Something no American wants to do or is intelligent enough in how to orchestrate. You all sit there in your little armchairs talking about revolution this and revolution that. Tell me, has anyone of you ever thought of the aftermath of said revolution? Like, how do we go about it if its achieved?
You're not one to talk.
No, the subject of this post is doing real work. All you're doing is detracting from the work being done while wishing for some magical solution.
Some americans are currently orchestrating it intelligently, and your complaint is that they "shouldn't plan, just do." So much for intelligent orchestration...
That's just the stupid fucking tankies, who also complain about any real work being done, just like you're doing.
Yes, that's why most of us tell tankies to fuck off when they talk about that shit.
Mirror, mirror...
Doing real work would be going to Washington D.C in collective mass and occupying the white house (which is funny that conservative nutjobs did it before any leftist group ever could. funny that). Or you know, doing real work would involve actually tracking, following and routing every corrupt politician. Doing real work would involve getting up in Trump's face personally, as he is too powerless to stop millions that'd theoretically approach him.
No american has the balls to, they just do whatever is convenient for them. The real work is stop supporting the regime that this country has once again, put itself in. No american wants to upset their life to do that, no, they'll want to be cute and plan on an off-day to go out and raise a sign up and down. It is vibes of Occupy Wall-Street, that protest did nothing.
No, it isn't just tankies. It is by observation, as to how many people I see online talking big and boldly about their revolutionist dreams, but keeping them as just that - revolutionist dreams. Keep assuming blindly.
I asked for a full plan, not a witty retort. You've demonstrated as to how little you've thought of actually running a country post-revolution would take. Proves me right.
You seem to resort to just spamming that word 'tankie' but I don't think you absolutely realize what is being said to you. Man, you're a lost cause. Fucking moron.
Yesterday was the largest protest in US history. Shut the fuck up you pompous counterproductive troll.
Well have fun with that. Now run along and play, the grown ups are demonstrating.
How is that not exactly what you're doing?
More projection. Is that your only card? I've offered plenty of intelligent input on this thread and others, but your comments aren't worth the effort because they don't stimulate productive discussion. Don't blame me that the only valid response to you is to point out how unhelpful you're being.
No, I understand exactly what's being said. And I only use the word "tankie" to refer to "tankies." You're complaining about keyboard warriors who advocate for their revolution fantasies. Those are literally tankies. Are you offended by the word 'tankie'? What's a matter, are you a tankie or something?
So far in this thread you've called people 'retards' and 'morons', so don't accuse me of spamming words without understanding the conversation being held. You're the lost cause here, not I.
This is something that I always think about when people mention guillotines and why the example is so stupid to me. The aftermath of the French Revolution was bad for the Feudal Monarchy, but also wasn't good for Robespierre and the Jacobins. If you recall, he was also beheaded by the guillotine after shooting off his own jaw and the sans-culottes were repressed by the bourgeoisie after the revolution "stabilized". It's critical to have a well-developed plan in any power vacuum or there will be far more bloodshed, instability and other bad guys will just take over.
A disorganized strike, if you will.
I think their idea is that the protest doesn't end Monday as everyone goes back to work, which is why this didn't even worry Trump and his group.
I feel like planning is less the problem moreso the length. A day is basically nothing. We'd have to go back to Covid length shutdowns for even the smallest impacts to happen.
It demonstrates proof of concept, knocks the owner-caste off balance, and encourages future action. It's not a wasted effort. It's strategic.
Organized resistance is a muscle. The reason you see so much shit like this in France is because they exercise theirs regularly. The US does not. You can't go from years of a desk job straight to running a marathon. You need to build up. Get people used to doing this stuff.
No Kings started by getting people to show up to protests. Lots of people. More than ever before in US history in fact. Now they're just asking those people to go one step further. You manage a one day general strike, maybe you can do two. If you can do two, maybe four. If four, maybe a week. Build those muscles. Build people's confidence. Build the movement.
This is what resistance looks like. It's not some happy little fantasy where everyone just spontaneously rises up and removes all the bad people from power. It's not Hollywood. It's slow, and it's hard work, but it's real.
This is one of the biggest problems with a general strike these days. The wealth inequality between them and us is such that even a year long strike will only ruin most of us, meanwhile they’ll get a government bailout even though they never missed a payment on their yacht. You might be able to destroy a MAGA supporting small business, but you’ll wreck yourself and your like-minded neighborhood small businesses along the way. I don’t have a solid solution, just throwing this out as food for thought.
My solution would be a mix a ethanol and Styrofoam in a glass bottle, applied to any business that you think should be participating in the strike.
That’s cool as long as you make sure you’ve cleared the building of any non-human persons prior. Start lighting up pets or livestock willy-nilly and I’ll give you a taste of your own medicine, personally. ✊🐾
Whatever you do, just don't draw any association between your kristallnacht and the movement, because it doesn't need that baggage.
Its strength is in widespread public support, and all you would accomplish is taking the wind out of its sails.
Thing is there are no like-minded small businesses around me. Pretty much all of them either openly support Trump or try to hide their beliefs until you walk in when the right customer is chatting up the manager. If they all went down, I wouldn't shed a single tear.
Well you'll still need to organize mutual aid networks and logistical infrastructure to produce and distribute food year-round, every single day. Because if all the grocery stores shut their doors and all the shelves are bare, what are people going to eat?
That's not so easy, is it?
What do you do when the majority of farmers in the US are trump supporters and corporate conglomerates who won't donate crops even when they have a surplus that they can't sell?
Even if you have the crops, how do you process them and package them large-scale without industrial facilities and labor? How do you transport them without vehicles, fuel, and drivers/conductors?
In order for the movement to achieve a complete and total success, without resulting in a complete and total disaster, you need to have these details hashed out. And that means getting everybody onboard: the farmers, the millers, the packers, the drivers and the conductors, the warehouse operators, the grocers, and the clerks.
And that's just for food. What about medicine? What about education? What about mechanics, manufacturers, tech support, social work? It all needs to be in place, and that means everybody needs to be onboard. Without that, you have an immanent failure.
Small steps build the momentum. Every step in the right direction is a net positive.
The hell does this have to do with small businesses run by MAGAts in my area of Missouri?
Are your grocery stores run by maga small business owners, or by corpos?
Either way, if you want to run them out of business, something needs to replace them.
If you can't see the connection, then you're too shortsighted and ignorant to be allowed anywhere near the decision-making levels of any movement underway.
I'm not signing up for anything you're promoting, if you're that hostile towards the mere suggestion that we need to exercise foresight and think about what comes next.
Something tells me if that actually happened, you'd complain about how impromptu protests don't work because people need time to prepare and they're too disruptive.
It's something, but more importantly, they're actually doing it. If you wanna do better, do it. Don't just bitch on here about how they're doing it wrong
I was gonna say the first couple no kings protests people complained that they couldn’t go because they weren’t communicating ahead of time.
Now they communicate ahead of time and people complain that it’s too far out. They can’t win.
Actually, no.
Yeah I would do better, I advocate in protesting smarter, too bad nobody listens because everyone like you, seems to have it alllll figured out, don't you?
Fucking retard. I'm going to have a good laugh once this protest does, oh, absolutely fuck-all.
No you fucking don't! You advocate for no planning and some spontaneous, disorganized, and magical "just do."
This you?
You're the one who seems to think you have it all figured out, so quit projecting. Why should anyone listen to you when you're only point is "everyone's wrong but me, everything the organizers are saying during the 'planning' stage is invalid, people shouldn't listen to them, they should listen to me!"
Well, unlike you, the protest organizers are actually creating and maintaining a movement and taking tangible actions. So I'm not surprised no one listens to you when you're trying to detract from that.
I'm sure this will make more people listen to someone like you lol
Nobody listens to anybody anyways unless it's a stupid echo chamber followed by a vague message for everyone to get cozy with. Because Americans don't know how to protest, they'll only do whatever is most convenient and comfortable.
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What if I am due a refund. Should I file my taxes to get money from them?
You're an idiot.
You're the idiot. The IRS already has the money. It gets withheld from every paycheck. Filing taxes is just how to get the excess money refunded.
The only people who owe money from tax refunds are the ones who opt out of tax withholding, and people whose primary source of income is investment interest.
That'd be ideal, but Americans don't have the organizational infrastructure to go on strike on a moment's notice. Building that would be step 0.
This. The infrastructure to take large scale labor action has been systemically dismantled over the past 50 years. We need to focus on networking and building up institutional infrastructure for large scale collective action. It's not a fast process, and you can't coordinate the logistics for this kind of collective action in a year or two.
The civil rights movement took decades to achive anything. The union labour movement took generations to build enough legitimacy to have an impact. Organizing on that scale is not something you can do in weeks or months.