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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 51 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

We would have always been there for them

Bullshit, USA has not been there to help NATO allies support Ukraine. And we didn't shit ourselves like USA is doing.
USA did not help defend against an illegal attack on Europe from Russia. Yes Biden did help a little, but he also prevented Ukraine from attacking into Russia, which was completely insane, and now that Ukraine is attacking Russian oil exports, actually imposing the sanctions the allied countries promised, Russia is finally beginning to break under the economic pressure.
With friends like that, who needs enemies.

Now USA has engaged in their own illegal war, and for fucks sake, nobody but Israel and USA wanted that war, everybody warned against it, and SPECIFICALLY warned against the closure of the Hormuz Strait. I just watched a 9 month old video by the Youtube channel secular talk, where they stated with absolute certainty, that one of the first moves by Iran in case of an attack would be the closure of the Hormuz Strait.

So quite frankly just piss off USA, we already don't expect you to do anything good anymore. Which is why all the rest of the NATO countries are scrambling to make new alliances. And as an example Canada and Japan have joined the EU SAFE program.
I think this is by the principle "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", and USA has been pissing on everybody for far to long, it's not just Trump now, it was also his first presidency, and it was also Bush. And the same arrogance has permeated Democrats too.
For instance when Obama used illegal drone attacks into Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia, killing 800 civilians! And when he declared that they had found a balance for their intelligence services, and only had "illegal" surveillance of foreigners, incuding the governments of allied nations! Same legal gymnastics logic that is now used by ICE, to illegally detain people for weeks as guilty until proven innocent, without the usual rights of an arrested person.

The Pax Americana is dead, and the American global leadership is dead with it.

but now, based on their actions, I guess we don't have to be, do we?" Trump told the ​audience.

This is pure idiocy, but no more stupid than we expected. Obviously a call on article 5 assistance is way different, and we have a treaty that is like a Musketeer oath, which obligate all NATO members including USA to help if a NATO country is ATTACKED and invoke article 5. And the same if USA invokes article 5, which they actually did under Bush after 9/11 September 12, 2001. And all allies responded positively. Despite the attack wasn't a military action, but a terrorist attack, which I don't really see much sense invoking article 5 for?! But NATO is a defensive organization, there is nothing in the treaty that binds any country to participate in attacks, and definitely not participate in illegal wars on the offending side.

So what USA is doing in Iran, is in no way related to NATO, because USA is the illegal and unprovoked attacker together with Israel, and by definition Iran is merely defending themselves.

Trump is such an idiot, and the American population is despicable for letting him continue his atrocities.
Personally I prefer my government to stop all cooperation with USA, and we were among the absolute closest allies to USA, part of 7 eyes, being among the first 2 after the 5 core Anglo based countries.
We have allowed USA almost unrestricted access to our territory, including as many bases in Greenland as USA want. (With the consent of Greenland), yet they threatened to invade for security reasons.
USA has no real allies anymore, USA is now only interested in exploiting everybody as possible.
Despite that, I am sure that we will honor the NATO article 5, because we are a dependable country.
TRUMP 100% acts like a Russian asset, and the American population elected him, despite he clearly showed his treason during his first term, as a result we can't trust USA anymore, even with a new government.

Edit:
Multiple edits, for instance mentioning the illegal drone attacks by Obama.

[–] ManixT@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I get your frustration, but "helped a little" is a massive understatement for the contributions the US made for Ukraine immediately before and during the early phases of the war, when Biden was in office.

Trump is just awful by every measure though.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Helped a little is the net result of helping a lot with military equipment, only to afterwards tie the hands of Ukraine behind their back.
Biden was afraid of Putin, so he had policies that prevented Ukraine from actually winning.
But at least Biden tried, which is way better than Trump. But as can be seen on the battle field, no help from USA has actually been better for Ukraine, because USA then also don't get to dictate limitations on Ukraine.