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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago (11 children)

The pessimist in me wants to see what would happen if everybody, in all European countries, we "remigrated" outside of it. How would the European economy fare? What would happen to birthrates? What would happen to culture? What would Europe look like and would the left-over Europeans actually like it? What would happen to rest of the world and how many people would actually be "remigrated"?

[–] NorskSud@piefed.social 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

The problem of the debate on migration is that it's always black and white, it's difficult to have nuance, and this is a complex topic where nuance is essential to achieve a reasonable policy, one that allows needed workers from outside Europe to work in Europe, but one that also addresses the safety and demographic concerns of Europeans. The debate is clearly being won by the far-right, although they easily reverse their own policies when they see a negative impact on their businesses.

But the left won't win this if their position is always and only of defense of current policies against far-right attacks. Europe needs migration, but Europeans also need assurances that that migration doesn't put in question their social contract and their way of life. And these are indeed being put to test in several places around Europe. Easy cheap labour makes everyone's jobs more precarious, especially among the less qualified ones. Muslim migration is indeed changing the way of life in many neighborhoods and cities around Europe, in a way that doesn't please the locals. There are real issues with real consequences in the real world, lefty university professors praising diversity while living in gentrified areas and having the most secure jobs in the country won't be the ones winning the debate.

[–] Mysterious_Tea@lemmy.wtf 2 points 1 day ago

Yup. The biggest mistake of the left in EU -from decades- was supporting immigration (even illegal one) without questioning whether the social contract gets deep issues from it.

Which is also why some countries got a surge in right and far-right parties.

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