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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

I disagree. Hard data shows that peaceful protest works in a way that violent protest absolutely does not

The moment violence happens, the whole movement loses its credibility and high ground and opens the road to despotic overthrow of the movement. This is why it's so important to guard against the tactic of your enemy installing agitators to discredit your movement and open the door to violent suppression of it.

Let's take a look at the so called "successes" of violent revolutios:

  1. The French Revolution (1789–1799)
  • Target: The Ancien Régime, an absolute monarchy under King Louis XVI.
  • Result: The instability eventually led to the rise of Napoleon Bonaparte, who established a military dictatorship and later declared himself Emperor.
  1. The Haitian Revolution (1791–1804)
  • Target: French colonial rule and the institution of slavery.
  • Result: A military state led by Jean-Jacques Dessalines, who declared himself Emperor for life. The new regime faced extreme economic isolation and was forced to pay massive reparations to France, which crippled its development for generations.
  1. The Russian Revolution (1917)
  • Target: The Tsarist Autocracy (House of Romanov).
  • Result: Communist State: The creation of the Soviet Union (USSR). A single-party, totalitarian state that was characterized by extreme political repression and state-controlled social life.
  1. The Cuban Revolution (1953–1959)
  • Target: The military dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista.
  • Result: Socialist Republic: Cuba transitioned into a one-party totalitarian Marxist-Leninist state ruled by the Castro family for 60 years.
  1. The Iranian Revolution (1979)
  • Target: The pro-Western monarchy of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.
  • Result: Islamic Theocracy: The establishment of the Islamic Republic of Iran under Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini.

So my assumption of anyone pushing for violent overthrow of the government is that they want a king, a single party totalitarian government, or a military dictatorship. This being Lemmy, the most likely case is that you want to install a communist single party system.

I personally want nothing to do with it.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Disavow the violence all you want, and indeed doing so is very much the role of the non-violent sect of the movement, but you need the threat of violence to succeed, that's just the reality. The Civil Rights movement never would have succeeded without the Black Panthers. The LGBTQ+ movement needed the Stonewall Riots.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, I'm sure they'll bury you on your moral high ground while they install countless systems to disenfranchise you and everyone you know. But I'm sure if you just ask them kindly not to do that, it'll all work itself out.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org -1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

And they'll bury you in the despotic regime your violence creates.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today -1 points 23 hours ago

Child, this is not the place for you. Go back to l/memes