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Interesting you bring up MAGA. They're currently building concentration camps. Are you going to hand wave that too? Apparently the dow is over 50,000. Hypothetically, how high would the Dow have to go before you'd forgive trump for building concentration camps? When does it go from "horrific human rights abuses" to "he was a complicated man"? How expensive is it to buy your respect?
Having your face on currency is apparently a great honor in this country. I'm not suggesting we end social security or the interstate highway program. But get his smug fascist ass face off the dime. Good countries don't honor men who throw people in concentration camps.
WTF are you talking about? Who cares about the fucking dime? You're the MAGA supporting the end of Social Security and all workplace protections because of one mistake made during the biggest war in human history.
You would kill MILLIONS of Americans in the nearly century since WW2, because some people were once inconvenienced during that war. Refugees are an ugly reality of war, and America has been able to avoid it for the most part. This is as close as we've come, and at least we learned some harsh lessons from it, that will lead us to avoid such choices in the future. That is about the best you can expect from the limited positive outcomes from any war.
I'm sorry for what happened to the Japanese-Americans in WW2 (for which our government has apologized, and compensated), and I hope we never do anything like that again. But do I think that FDR, and all the lifesaving programs he accomplished should be dismissed because of one disagreeable decision during the worst war in human history? Of course not, that's just STUPID.
I support removing this garbage human being's portrait from the dime and that's all. You apparently support hand waving atrocious civil rights violations by saying they're just "one mistake". So where's your line? What would trump have to do to buy your respect? Clearly you have a price.
Go tell your grandmother that you want her to lose her Social Security, and go tell your boss that you'll be glad to work on dangerous equipment 16 hours a day, 6 days a week ( so you can to Cult on Sunday), with no overtime or any other benefits, all for payment in company scrip.
And make sure you tell them it's because of Japanese Internment Camps from a century ago.
Nobodys talking about getting rid of social security. Stop moving the goal posts and stop defending objectively shitty people because they had some policies you liked.
YOU are the one who has dismissed FDRs ENTIRE legacy because of one mistake, which means that if you had your way, and FDR wasn't president to intern the Japanese-Americans, you would be perfectly comfortable without Social Security or any of the workplace and employment benefits that YOU take for granted.
So you are advocating for not interning the Japanese-Americans, in exchange for surrendering all of FDRs labor reforms.
MOST Americans would not make that trade, including most Japanese-Americans.
That "one mistake" being throwing 100,000 Americans into concentration camps. That's at least 100,000 mistakes.
I am not advocating for time travel. I am advocating removing a really bad person's portrait from the dime. You do know that removing him from the dime wouldn't automatically invalidate every law he passed, right?
So what would you trade in Trump's case? You're clearly willing to negotiate on atrocities, what would he have to bribe you in order for you to ignore his?
You really are BAD at this.
The difference is that FDR's presidency was basically one major improvement for American citizens after another, including winning the worst war in human history, and his positive improvements still provide daily significant protections for every American citizen to this very day. He actually has a positive legacy to BALANCE the Internment issue, which is basically his only misstep in 4 terms.
Trump does not have ANY positive policies to mitigate the many, many criminal instances of treason, corruption, murder, pedophilia, and more that he has partaken in or facilitated. There will be no "trades" in Trump's case, he will be lucky to avoid being the first president to be executed, which is what he deserves.
You owe nearly everything positive in your life to FDR. Without the protections he put on workers, and regulations for employers, we would still have dangerous workplaces like the early 20th centuries, with long hours, low pay, and no benefits, which is exactly what MAGA wants to return to.
That's why I'm asking you what it would take. It's a hypothetical. You believe it's possible to find a balance in evil people, so what would that balance be?
If trump passed a really good national healthcare plan, would you forgive him for his concentration camps? How about a $30 minimum wage? UBI?
What if he gave you, personally, $10 million dollars? Would that be a big enough bribe to spin your moral compass?
Trump is a Corrupt, Pedophile, Rapist, Traitor. He could give me a billion dollars, and I'd still happily flip the switch on the electric chair, and go out and celebrate with a beer.
You're blowing nonsense, because you don't have a clue how politics works, and that's the problem with both sides - too many ignoramuses, who think their ignorant opinion should matter.
I don't care how politics works. I care that a man who sent 100,000 innocent people to concentration camps is being honored by having his face on a coin, and I care that I'm forced to share a society with people who believe it's possible to forgive that behavior as long as they get something out of it.
You are too shallow-minded to deal with. Move along.
Oh darn, I don't get to hang out with a person who believes there's any excuse for throwing 100,000 Americans in concentration camps, my night is ruined.
Are you curious how those policies were funded, what people out of USian eye- and earshot may have suffered, and who profited the most from it?
This is a discussion about the history of American labor and the American workplace, FDR's influence on that, and whether he should be honored for that, or if ored because he made a single mistake, that EVERYBODY has acknowledged was wrong, apologized, and paid reparations.
His legacy obviously affected the world at large, since he was Commander-In-Chief of one of the Allied Militaries on WW2, and the influence of the Allied victory shaped the New World Order that followed, but that's a larger discussion for another time.
No, it's for anytime. None of those things stand alone.