Here is a link to learn more about the bill.
It is also important to note this legislation also includes language for ongoing, real-time monitoring. Not just verification
Here is a summary from the link shared above:
Requires manufacturers of internet-enabled devices to conduct age assurance to determine a user's age category and provide all websites, online services, online applications and mobile applications on such user's internet-enabled device and/or application store manufactured by the covered manufacturer with a digital signal that such user is a covered minor as well as the age category of such covered minor via a real-time application programming interface (API).
I love the inclusion of the API acronym; all super serious sounding. Like these dumb pedophiles even know what an API is!
You are encouraged to have an opinion about this. It is obvious what is happening here.
Do you have the spine to be remembered?
We are at an epic turning point in human history. Those who rise to meet that standard are today's heroes.
The real world, filled with everyday people, needs individuals who embody a willingness to say "Get fucked!"
If this is your first time learning about heroics, look up information about the "hero's journey". Also known as the "monomyth".
It's okay to be new. What isn't okay is to sit on the sidelines in today's world.
You are alive today. Take full advantage of it.
Nobody has proposed better ways to fight against malicious targeted misinformation.
Like, that's a big problem when everybody has a computer and internet connection and there's external forces trying to influence distrust, misinformation, and conspiracy theories to erode democratic values or topple a government. It's a problem that's only going to get worse with the current rise of LLMs.
We don't live in utopia.
We need better solutions for both progress and sustainability purposes. People on both Reddit and Lemmy love to circlejerk sarcastic jokes or doomer bullshit, but never want to discuss, propose, or crowdsource ideas.
What does everyone else got for solutions? Let's hear some critical thinking and ideas here - give it a try - think about a solution instead of bandwagoning.
Please explain how age verification fights malicious targeted misinformation.
It doesn't, nor did I propose that in any of my comments, if you've read them at all, which based on this comment, you absolutely haven't.
Internet verification is going to be a continual growing issue until we can solve how to regulate the internet as a whole, and the answer is, you cannot. Until we have real solutions to the problems it's trying to solve, we're going to get half cooked concepts like the ones proposed.
Now that I've answered your question, how about answering my proposed question in the original comment? Seriously, give it a try, it just take a little effort to think of an idea or ideas.
It seems like Lemmy is void of ideas though. Maybe folx are afraid of downvotes? They just don't even want to try.
The reason people are acting like you're a dick, is because you're asking questions which have already been answered and whose answers are already well known. It's the reason right wing nutters fight against education so hard.
That's fine, I don't mind the downvotes or being called names, but I still just don't know the answer here. You seem to think that it's already been answered. Could you please educate me on the following:
How are Nations fighting against online misinformation and protecting themselves from the intrusion of external sources posing as citizen to influence public opinion? What's the answer if it's not some system of online verification for at least some websites?
okay so I have an idea... how about we just fucking regulate dis/misinformation and make the alphabet soup agencies do the jobs theyre supposed to be fucking doing instead of investigating Bad Bunny.
Who decides what is misinformation and how do we regulate that on international websites?
Disingenuous argument from the jump. International websites can very easily be blocked (see- the great firewall)
and acting like we've never had a nonpartisan committee to decided if things are false is wild.
Now, a nonpartisan commission? Not likely outside local politics.
Can be, but should they be? Is that what you're proposing as a solution? What about social media which is also international?
Again, with the disingenuous arguments. You're shifting language here to work for you. You know damn good and well we are talking about misinformation. Why would international websites with good information be blocked?
How about you come up with something better, since you're so damn good at finding "holes" in other peoples proposals.
I'm was not poking holes in your arguments, I'm asking questions. Questions aren't arguments or statements.
I'm not against a "Great Firewall" for each Nation, that's not a bad idea at all.
There's no feasible way to determine that without also having a "Great Acceptable List of Websites".
^^^ That's poking a hole in your argument.
I did, see my comment on the original as linked here
The bill is about requiring age verification
but, ya did
So you want ideas:
I'd argue that it doesn't need regulation "as a whole". We've been running for decades with light-touch admin just where it's necessary. Why do we now need full-on authoritarian control? What changed? When someone makes a place that's targeted at kids, they need to police it. AI is fully capable of reading every conversation had on roblox and identifying adults trying to stalk kids. Roblox could afford to use teams of people or AI to keep all this at bay.
I'm not referring to the specific bill but the problem as a whole that is online verification and moderating misinformation. This kind of online verification has been kicked around for almost a decade now, it's not new.
By all means, quote me where I supported that proposal then; otherwise you're wrong and you just don't want to admit it (which is just, classic online discussions)
It's been running for a decade with light-touch as both Corporations and Governments caught up to the technological changes of the century. Now all parties are caught up and understand how to grease the wheels of the algorithm, harvest data, and manipulate information to their benefit. It started to gain momentum around ~2014 and have been going from there. Once Musk bought Twitter and turned it into a propaganda machine is when the ecosystem changed for the worse IMO.
The issue of misinformation and manipulation of content by external sources is bigger than Roblox. LLMs are not yet sophisticated enough for both full moderation, misinformation control, and online verification.
This is way off the mark. Fascists were able to bring the world to its knees 50 years before the internet. We simply don't need any solution that you are referring to. Fascism does not need internet.
But Fascism can use Internet as a tool just as well.
Like, as a society we used to rely on local radio and local TV news.
Now it's all international websites and international social media. In 50 years, the field of information has changed and how society gets their information has changed. Non-Boomers are not getting their news and information from local sources anymore and external sources are certainly taking advantage of that.
It is a problem we, and every Nation world-wide, will need to face.
Quick binary question, simple Yes or No: Do you think governments around the world are using Social Media and The Internet as a whole to influence certain parts of other Nations society for their own gain (and/or to meet their own agendas)?
Yes
Great! So we can at least agree that this is a problem, now how do we solve it?
If we cannot regulate the internet as a whole, and you don't think we can trust our government(s) with verification information such as biometrics (gross), how do we as a society fight against this type of cyber-warfare? Something that could be implemented by every Nation.
You're literally the first person in this thread to answer a proposed question, big props.
You're right, we don't live in a utopia, so do you actually think the governments (since all governments seem to be doing some form of this) will not simply allow bots (bots are from companies, and neo-liberal governments will twist themselves into an inter dimensional pretzel if it pleases megacorps), foreign intervention (having a valid foreign ID doesn't atop people from astroturfing), etc?
They have more than a dozen ways to combat misinformation already and they actively choose not to use any of them at all because it meets their goals.
Do you think normal people will be able to access the IDs of anyone to see if they are astroturfing and spreading misinformation? Literally a 0.001% chance of that happening.
Literally the only thing that will happen is that normal people get tracked to hell and back and when the authoritarians manufacture enough consent to take power, it will immediately be used to dispose of their dissidents. Only bad comes from this because the democratic or socialist cleaning governments don't have the spine to actually use it against the billionaire class.
Cool, you didn't read my subcomment about a solution.
Yea, I'm going to trust my government over a external government pining for the same control and information, but/and also has malicious purposes.
The difference is that the sites are currently on Commercial TLDs. We either regulate all commercial TLDs in and outside the Nations domain or we regulate specific TLDs that live within the Nations grounds, on the Nations servers. How to regulate commercial websites has always been a sticky point because where is the line between what the entity can do with their website and what they cannot do? What about sites that transcend international bounds, whose jurisdiction is that?
Have a distinction between a Nations external websites and internal websites at least allows "easy" regulation while keeping it opt-in.
No, this is a system issue, not a user issue.
Any country could already do this if they wanted to. They can strongarm ISPs, website admins, and OS manufacturers. This is especially true for countries that hold the keys to their systems like China, Russia, and the U.S.
How about answering one of my questions?
What do we do about other countries using social media and our mass access to open internet to sway opinions, elections, and sow distrust to erode democracy and undermine that countries government? Assume that long-term goals like education is not an option due to it being long-term.
My opinion is that each Nation needs an "internal" internet and an "external" internet.
Give websites
.usand.caTLDs which require authentication through their specific government identification systems. These are websites that not anyone could get, but would need to be registered, and filtered through whether the owner is a citizen of that nation and acting in good faith. The websites would have to run on that nations servers under that nations security.Everything that isn't this, like Lemmy, would be external.
This gives the best of both worlds since it's opt-in but also allows you to visit and interact with websites where you know the users involved are both not bots or external aggravators.
That's my idea around this whole thing.