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Then you understand that:
Isn't a valid position right now, and the people arguing that are not on failing to solve the problem, they're actively making it worse?
Logically, every libertarian should be voting progressive to level the playing field, then pushing libertarianism to maintain an equal field after progressives have obtained all their main goals.
Like, that's honestly everyone's big problem with libertarianism. If they joined with progressives now, the vast amount of progressives would go on to become libertarians.
We could all win.
I used to believe that. I joined with progressives after Bush 2. All we've gotten is further into the pit and more of our rights stripped away, with the progressives cheering as long as their side does it, just like the goddamned magas
Wut?!
I just can't square that statement with reality, unless your standard for "progressive" is so low that it includes Joe Biden...
Which frankly is something so ridiculous you only hear trump supporters saying it.
But I can't think of anything else you could have meant, can you clarify?
Make up your mind are we stupid and evil for voting for Biden or for NOT voting for Biden? Im getting mixed messages and I think you just want someone to be mad at.
When have I said either?
Are you sure I'm the person you meant to reply to?
You brought up Biden and Trump.
I think you're just trying to fuck with people.
You said:
Which doesn't make any sense.
Who are these elected progressives who have been stripping our rights?
Who are the progressive voters cheering for it?
I promise I'm not, I'm genuinely trying to understand.
This happens a lot for me... To over 85% of people I talk to actually, but if you keep asking questions and stop making assumptions we can both learn something here.
It'll click eventually, it's just the 30 point gap and it's hard to tell at first how much I need to explicitly explain and how much can get by on implication.
But if you don't want to give it a shot, by all means just stop replying.
But I've always been absolutely fascinated by libertarian's logic and genuinely am really curious what you think "progressive" means in the context you're using.
If you're just fucking with me, not replying so I don't have a chance to figure it out is your best bet tho.
30 point gap? Is that some kind of "stupid libertarian" joke?
Thats the kind of shit I'm used to from "progressives".
I want to be understood and seen as a person but I'm really questioning whether its worth trying anymore.
Ive had this conversation enough times I know how it goes.
I'll point out how Obama and Biden both expanded executive power, setting precedent for Trump to exploit.
You'll either flatly deny it or try to make me prove it then bad faith nitpick until I go away.
I'll point out how pressuring Facebook and using OSHA to push the covid vaccine was a massive federal overreach and You'll accuse me of being anti-science.
You might point out that Trump is just as bad like its a gotcha but I fucking hate him too so it doesn't work.
I'll complain about progressives being against freedom of speech and you'll smirk and say "What speech?" Because obviously the only reason someone would be concerned about the government dictating what you can and cant say is that they want to yell slurs at their neighbor.
Around this point you'll call me either racist, sexist or homophobic. Or maybe class traitor. Thats always a fun one.
Or you'll figure out I'm not straight and im only white when progressives don't like what I have to say and you'll decide im a race traitor too.
So yea I dont have a lot of patience with having this discussion anymore.
Thanks!
The problem is you think Biden and Obama were progressive.
I genuinely appreciate that, and couldn't have found that info from anywhere besides you, since it's your opinion.
My eyes just rolled out of my head.
They're "not real progressives" I guess. Kinda like how its "not real communism" when shit doesn't work out. Go home.