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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 32 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

This article is paywalled for me, but it's very important to understand that these people who are leaving are still citizens. It is very difficult (and expensive) to renounce US citizenship.

So, they are moving abroad, while still retaining their US citizenship. Which includes their right to vote, which can be exercised in the last district they resided in within the US. But Trump sees mail-in voting as a threat, so expect his illegal Executive Ordersto not even recognize that ex-pats have a right to vote at all.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

https://archive.is/oLgE7

I think you are also on the hook to pay American taxes, too. So I guess Pedonald would be taking the "unitary executive theory" all the way to King George territory and we have taxation w/o representation for the expats, too...

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

Expats have to file their taxes but foreign income tax paid is generally deducted from US taxes owed. I think that depends on what agreement is made with the country they reside in though.

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

You already have taxation without representation. Felons pay taxes but don't get to vote. The citizens of American territories also pay taxes but do not get representatives.

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Yep, US citizenship is one of the most expensive in the world, due to their uniquely harsh taxation of expats.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I also heard US citizens will always have to pay income tax even if they are working abroad and had to pay that country's income tax already.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago

Sort of. US citizens owe US taxes on their worldwide income, no matter the source. US citizens working abroad also owe taxes to the country they work in. However, the US has tax treaties with many countries that cover how each countries' citizens are taxed.

If a US citizen earns income in these countries, they may be able to deduct any taxes paid out to the other country against their US tax bill. (And since US tax rates are low compared to many of these other countries, this often results in zero US taxes owed.)

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co 8 points 16 hours ago

Trump can raise all the executive orders he wants. He just doesn't have jurisdiction on how states run their elections.

This doesn't mean he can't cause trouble, though. For instance, maybe he can just order the USPS to not deliver ballot mail. Or worse, open it an substitute the ballot inside to one that's much more favourable to him.

Obviously, if he does that the US can kiss goodbye to being a representative democracy.

[–] pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org 7 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

As a person mid-emigration, I have no concern how the US votes. The moment I enter my destination country, I’m never returning and never thinking about the US again. Y’all are in your own.

[–] saimen@feddit.org 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Are you aware that other countries have immigration laws as well? You won't just get a permanent visa or citizenship immediately (takes years for most countries) and until then you might have to return to or get deported to the US if things don't work out.

[–] pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You’re talking to me like I’m just theorizing. I know exactly what I’m doing. The process will be complete FOR ME in about 8 total months from the start—which was months ago.

When I said mid process l, I wasn’t talking about mid thought process

[–] saimen@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

I thought the process was to get a temporary working visum. I wasn't aware you can directly get permanent visa. Good for you.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

What country are you emigrating to? How long was the process?

[–] pigeonofparadise@lemmy.org 7 points 12 hours ago

In progress. Not telling. And ultimately like an estimated 8 months total, and that’s with me and my spouse both being in fast-track careers. So basically if you’re not half way you’re gonna be locked in the country by martial law in October. I suggest you buy a gun, or a Time Machine.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 14 hours ago

I suspect this is one of the reasons he's against mail-in voting