S12E4 "Wolf Cola: A Public Relations Nightmare"
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I appreciate you spent the time to lay out your point. but honestly, most vegans have heard strange little variations on these arguments for years.
Animals dont need human custodians in the wild.
it's very unlikely that we will suddenly all become vegoons over night. so it can be expected that livestock would gradually diminish.
Domesticated animals do.
Going "b-b-but it's n-not n-natural..!" is goofy af and anyone even remotely versed in the absolute basics of rhetoric knows how silly it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
Despite it being a fallacy, it's not even related in this instance, because what are you implying? That sheep don't need to be shorn because >10 000 years ago the wild ancestors of these sheep didn't need shearing so these don't either?
Vegans don't answer the questions because veganism isn't rational if you have to think things like this through.
That's why you're claiming there are no animals dependent on people, because "that's how it goes in the wild".
If one is for reducing suffering (which many vegans here claim) then you have to acknowledge that proper care of sheep does include shearing them. You also have to acknowledge that deer population control is essential so that the deer, people, and the ecosystem they inhabit don't get all fucked up.
Yet all I get from vegans is a few rounds of "nuh-uh", followed by a bunch of downvoting. As if my comment score being negative in this thread somehow constituted an answer from you. It does not. And no-one has answered. It's okay to have an irrational belief in something you know is wrong. Most people do. It's called religion.