SNOOcalypse - document, discuss, and promote the downfall of Reddit.

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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by lvxferre@lemmy.ml to c/snoocalypse@lemmy.ml
 
 

Ladies, gentlemen, and cherished non-binary folks: it has been a serious joy to moderate this community for you.

Based on the general input from an earlier thread, I'm closing this community down; I apologise for rushing this decision but it's for the best.


I'll also use the opportunity to publicly release the modlog of this community, showing at least which actions were taken by myself:

I can't show the other usernames because this would be allegedly "doxxing".

I'm doing so because I believe that transparency is essential to nurture a healthy and friendly community. I also encourage people here to check the mod logs of other lemmy.ml communities.

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r/redditalternatives thread: This is why I don't trust anything on reddit. A r/modcoord thread full of anti-fediverse comments, and all of my pro-fediverse comments are removed and the mods won't answer why. https://web.archive.org/web/20240111205116/https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/193iuf1/this_is_why_i_dont_trust_anything_on_reddit_a/

Content of deleted post https://archive.ph/cV8X6

Removed comments https://web.archive.org/web/20240111211111/https://www.reveddit.com/y/briangutaccess/

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I wish to stop being a moderator in lemmy.ml. However, I don't know what to do with this community; the last time I asked for new mods nobody showed interest. So I'd like the help of other members of the community to decide it.

Here are a few options:

  • Migrate this community. Frankly I don't care about Reddit nowadays, but I'm still willing to mod a comm about it in another instance. So if users tell me "migrate SNOOcalypse to [instance]!", I'll seriously consider it.
  • Recruiting new mods. If you wish to be a mod, please tell me so in this thread. I'll check if you'd be a good mod, recruit you, step down myself, and you're free to moderate it as you wish.
  • Closing down this comm. There are a few other comms about Reddit across the Lemmy/Kbinverse, so we'd use those instead. If neither of the alternatives above is viable/feasible, this is likely what's going to happen.
  • Something else. Then please do tell me. As long as it doesn't boil down to "negligently leave this comm active but unmoderated", I'll consider it.

I'm planning to step down 19/February/2024.

So, what do you think that should be done?

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If you're paywalled, check this archive link.

What the article calls "corporate trolls" is simply astroturfing. It became rampant in Reddit; as the walled garden was unwalled, more of the organic grass has been replaced.

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IPO = Initial Public Offering, where shareholders offer to sell their shares to the public, shifting a company from a "private company" (it belongs to me, you, and that guy) to a "public company" (it belongs to anyone who pays enough for the shares).

The userbase has been always touchy when it comes to IPO, and rightfully so; they know that the new owners will only care about squeezing the platform dry. As such, I predict a new flood of Redditfugees to Lemmy and Kbin.

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Summary: Reddit warns mods that it's ending its crypto program, before it warns the other users. What could go wrong? /s

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Excerpt:

Most major subreddits show a decrease of between 50 and 90 percent in average daily posts and comments, when compared to a year ago. This suggests the problem is way fewer users, not the same number of users browsing less. The huge and universal dropoff also suggests that people left, either because of the changes or the protests, and they aren’t coming back.

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The outcome was predicted by plenty users in this community, but now the news are noticing it.

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Relay was (yup) one of the third party apps that survived the API-calypse. But this sort of model is unsustainable in the long run, given that the competitor (the broken native app) is free and unlimited.

The obvious future monopoly of the broken native app is bad for the platform in the long run, given that Reddit always sucked off ideas from third party apps; and now there's no incentive whatsoever to make it better, after Reddit Inc. killed the better competitors.

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The title is a bit clickbaity but the article is worth a read. To keep it short:

  • large subreddits stopped protesting
  • 1.8k subreddits are still in the dark, but those are rather small
  • [from the article] "Though the Reddit team likely caused permanent damage to the platform and its relationship with users, Spez got his way. But that victory might not mean much."

IMO it was a Pyrrhic victory. Sure, the protests ended, and most users are still stuck in that shithole... but the reputation damage won't be reversed, Reddit managed to seed its competitors (as this one) with the necessary userbase to make them functional, and odds are that Reddit will keep going in its death spiral. And that doesn't even take into account the amount of bad press that it generated, that will hurt IPO numbers for sure.

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I'm sharing this here mostly due to the "official" labels. Excerpt from the text:

“Starting today, we’re beginning early testing of placing a visual indicator on certain profiles to provide proof of authenticity, reduce impersonation, and increase transparency across the platform,” a Reddit admin (employee) wrote in a post. “This is currently only available to a *very* small (double-digit) number of profiles belonging to organizations with whom we already have existing relationships, and who are interested in engaging with redditors and communities on our platform.”

At least for me this looks like a really poor attempt to attract content creators into the platform, while shifting its focus from the content created and shared by the users to the users themselves, as in more typical social media platforms (such as Facebook, Twitter, TikTok). It's bound to fail - what made Reddit desirable for the users was the content that they shared among themselves, unlike in Twitter where a few personalities can "anchor" the rest of the userbase.

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This community grew far more than I expected. That's great, but a single mod for such an active comm is a liability, plus I want to nurture a few other comms. As such, I'm recruiting new mods.

Does anyone volunteer? Potential new mods should:

  • be already active members of this community;
  • have spare time to browse, comment, and post in this community fairly often;
  • have decent reading comprehension;
  • be able to dialogue with other members of the community, in a respectful and cooperative way;
  • not be moderators of a large number of other communities.

Further details and guidelines, on what you're expected to do:

  • This community does not "belong" to you or me, it belongs to the people who participate in it. Always keep this in mind.
  • If there's a report, you must read it and address it to the best of your capabilities. Sometimes you do nothing, sometimes you just talk with the user.
  • Folks here are well-behaved, so milder interventions are preferable over harsher ones. A "please, don't do this, because [reason]" goes a long way; by default, expect users to be reasonable.
  • Banhammer is only to be used on extreme cases, towards users who are clearly making this community worse for the other users. So far I didn't have to ban anyone here.
  • A mod should actively look for on-topic content to post, and participate in posts shared by other users. This is doubly true in slow days - if you feel that the community is too slow, go look for something to post here.
  • A mod should browse the posts and read the comments of the comm, addressing issues that might appear. Don't rely just on reports.
  • You don't know what other users think, believe, or their intentions; don't enforce rules based on those things. Instead, enforce rules based on what the other users say and how they behave.
  • Be sure to distinguish when you're speaking officially, as a mod of this community.
  • Don't go too hard on the enforcement of rule #2 (keep it on-topic); it's fine to let users chitchat in the comments, that's fun. Watch out however for specially divisive off-topic, and for off-topic posts.
  • I've worded rule #4 in a cheeky way, but it is an actual rule. It boils down to "don't let users ruin the community for other users, regardless of their claimed intentions".
  • Rule #5 should apply to the mods too.

[EDIT] Two important details:

  1. You do not need previous experience as a moderator!
  2. I'll still be actively moderating this community, alongside any newcomer. Don't worry, I'm not abandoning it; I'm just future-proofing it.