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You may be aware of Octopus Electroverse which allows you to charge on many UK and European networks through roaming agreements.

I found this article full of Electroverse offers and discounts, some of which I wasn't aware of. I thought it might be nice to post it here and briefly highlight them.

These are the current UK offers:

Discounts

  • Octopus Go customers - 5% off
  • Octopus Intelligent Go customers - 8% off
  • Ionity - 5% off
  • Osprey - 20% off between 7-11pm
  • Be.EV - 10% off between 9pm-7am
  • RAW Charging - 15% off (until 31-Jan-25)
  • Plunge pricing - will be notified when they occur

Other offers

  • Shell Recharge - charge up 5kWh and get a free drink
  • Q-Park - 20% off parking until 31-Dec-24
  • Smart Charge (Sainsbury's) - 4x Nectar Points

There is also a monthly photo competition, and you can refer a friend. I don't normally post this, but my referral code is beige-hero-474 - we share £10 credit if used. Feel free to use it if you want to reward me for my modding and posting. 🙂

If you see anything new post below! I can't promise I'll keep this list up-to-date, but the link always contains the latest offers (except the Sainsbury's one which isn't on there yet but is in the app).

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cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/43628100

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  • Deutsche Bahn’s recent bulk order of electric buses from BYD sparks a heated labor dispute.
  • Critics label the purchase decision a “bad joke,” citing concerns over domestic industry and worker loyalty.
  • Despite political pressure for local sourcing, Deutsche Bahn opts heavily for Chinese manufacturers through European subsidiaries.
  • BYD, a major player in electric buses, operates a U.S. plant but still faces challenges assimilating into Western markets.
  • Union leaders vow to bring the controversy before Deutsche Bahn’s supervisory board, escalating tensions.

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The recent announcement of Deutsche Bahn’s considerable electric bus procurement from BYD, a Chinese manufacturer, has sparked outrage from EVG [stands for Eisenbahn- und Verkehrsgewerkschaft, the Railway and Transport Union in Germany], the key labor union representing railway workers. The main gripe? A perceived threat to domestic employment and a failure to uphold the government’s call for economic nationalism.

EVG’s leader, Martin Burkert, wasted no time declaring the purchase a “bad joke”. This blunt criticism encapsulates growing concerns about multinational supply chains overrunning local industry. Burkert highlighted the dissonance between the government’s recent exhortation for “location patriotism” and Deutsche Bahn’s decision to pursue cheaper, foreign-made buses.

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The union’s forceful objection serves as a reminder that procurement practices in public transportation are not merely transactions—they are also political statements with social consequences.

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Behind the headline tension lies a complex web of procurement rules, subsidiary dynamics, and geopolitical considerations. Deutsche Bahn’s decision to engage BYD does not equate to a direct Chinese purchase. Instead, contracts are funneled through BYD’s European subsidiaries, enabling them to compete under EU regulations ... Crucially, this procurement channeling is what allows these Chinese-origin companies to bypass outright exclusion, despite increasing political skepticism about Chinese industrial influence.

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Yet this arrangement spots scrutinizers in the union and political spheres who emphasize that true “local sourcing” must go beyond legal technicalities. Public sentiment often equates such purchases with foreign imports, especially given media narratives about economic competition with China. This perception puts public pressure on political leaders to reassess procurement guidelines and possible protections for domestic manufacturers.

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BYD’s journey shows the complexities of confronting skepticism around foreign ownership and geopolitical concerns. In the U.S., the company has faced investigations around national security concerns tied to Chinese Communist Party links and came under scrutiny as the Senate debated legislation to restrict federal funds from supporting Chinese-owned manufacturing firms.

These hurdles underscore the broader challenges non-Western companies face when trying to embed themselves in Western infrastructure projects, especially in sectors as sensitive as public transportation. BYD’s efforts to comply with “buy American” rules by employing hundreds of American union workers and sourcing components locally demonstrate a bid to mitigate these concerns.

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This [union's] approach combines hard-hitting rhetoric, such as labeling the BYD purchase a “bad joke,” with detailed advocacy for increased domestic procurement to protect European workers. They also seek to forge alliances with political leaders to introduce stricter guidelines favoring local manufacturers in future tenders.

Key elements of this strategy include pushing for:

  • Clearer definitions of ‘local content’ in public contracts to exclude loopholes exploited by subsidiaries of foreign firms.
  • Increased transparency requirements for manufacturers bidding on sensitive infrastructure orders.
  • Strengthening labor protections and safeguarding union jobs within evolving green transport industries.

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Addition: To provide a broader picture: DB will be ordering around 3,300 busses over the next years with the main supplier being Germany's MAN. China's BYD is supposed to deliver a few hundreds.

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cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/43308508

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The European Union plans to create a new category for compact electric vehicles with more relaxed technical requirements than standard-size EVs as the region seeks to lower manufacturing costs and compete with Chinese producers.

The European Commission, the bloc's executive arm, plans to release a draft proposal soon, with the new "E car" category to be launched in the next few years following approval by key institutions. The proposal is expected to define the class by vehicle size, weight and motor displacement. EU member states will also discuss a mechanism for vehicle tax exemptions for the new class.

The EU has until now required EVs to be equipped with systems to detect driver drowsiness, maintain lane positioning and signal sudden stops. These requirements, designed for long-distance travel, have contributed to higher costs.

"The overall vehicle set-up ... will be on a lower level which will bring down cost as the vehicle is less complex," said Beatrix Keim at Germany's Center Automotive Research. Sale prices of such cars are predicted to fall by 10% to 20% to land in the range of 15,000 to 20,000 euros ($17,500 to $23,200).

The EU imposes import duties of up to 45.3% on EVs made in China. The new classification will allow European autos to better compete on price. This will be a boon for European developers of compact EVs, including Germany's Volkswagen, European multinational Stellantis and France's Renault.

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New Renault 5, Renault 4 and Alpine A290 models qualify for the top-tier Government Electric Car Grant, thanks to locally sourced French batteries and enhanced specifications.

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cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/42819940

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  • In October, the overall European market grew by the biggest margin in 2022
  • Volkswagen Group, Toyota, and Ford drive growth
  • BEV registrations exceeded 1 million units since January

In October, the European new car market grew by 14% registering 903,533 new vehicles. This marks the third consecutive month of growth in 2022 when compared with last year. Felipe Munoz, Global Analyst at JATO Dynamics, commented: “In October 2021, the market was facing the worst of the semiconductor crisis, but one year on, it has understood the challenge and is learning to deal with it”.

October’s growth is partly explained by the strong performance from Volkswagen Group. The German manufacturer registered 230,115 units – a 40% volume increase driven mainly by Audi, Skoda, and Cupra.

This is, however, considerably lower than the 281,700 units registered in October 2020, and the 302,000 (approximate) units registered in October 2019.

Toyota also performed well with sales up by 47%, outpacing results from 2019 and 2020 thanks to the success of its latest launches. Lexus saw its volume decline by 14%. Ford increased registrations by 35% thanks to the Puma and Fiesta but was unable to match volumes from 2019 and 2020, at 77,600 and 60,600 units respectively.

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Meanwhile, Chinese carmakers lost ground in Europe in October, slipping back from the record market share they captured a month earlier across the region.

In the hybrid categories, where manufacturers like BYD Co. and SAIC Motor Corp.’s MG have been on a tear, their share as a group fell around 3 percentage points to 12.6% from September’s peak, according to researcher Dataforce. New EV registrations, a core category for Chinese brands, declined to 11.8% from 12.6% across the European Union, EFTA countries and the UK.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/46482350

BYD will immediately recall 88,981 plug-in hybrids over a potential battery-related safety hazard, China's market regulator said in a notice on Friday, weeks after the electric vehicle maker's largest recall to date.

The Qin PLUS DM-i models affected were produced between January 2021 and September 2023 and "may have limited power output due to problems with the consistency of power battery packs during the production process", the notice said.

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BYD, which is facing sliding sales and profit, has so far recalled more than 210,000 vehicles this year, including nearly 7,000 of its plug-in hybrid off-road SUVs.

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In mid-October, BYD announced its largest recall yet of more than 115,000 Tang and Yuan Pro vehicles produced between 2015 and 2022 due to design defects and battery-related safety risks.

BYD's October sales dropped 12% from the same month a year earlier, after a 33% drop in third-quarter profit.

In September 2024, BYD had recalled nearly 97,000 Dolphin and Yuan Plus EVs due to a manufacturing fault involving a steering control unit that posed risks of fire.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/45485021

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Authorities in two countries in northern Europe and Australia have voiced concern that a Chinese supplier of electric buses may have the capacity to remotely deactivate them.

Transport officials in Norway and Denmark are investigating the apparent “security loophole” in hundreds of buses, according to a report by The Guardian this week, following news that the supplier of Yutong buses “had remote access for software updates and diagnostics to the vehicles’ control systems – which could be exploited to affect buses while in transit.”

Norwegian public transport operator Ruter published test results last week that showed the bus-maker Yutong Group had access to buses’ control systems for software updates and diagnostics on the model they tested.

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Ruter found that remote deactivation could be prevented if SIM cards in the buses were removed, but they had not done this yet, as it would also disconnect the bus from other systems. They are now seeking help from national authorities and stricter security requirements for any procurements in the future.

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“This is not a Chinese bus problem. It is a problem for all types of vehicles and devices with Chinese electronics built in,” said [Jeppe Gaard, the chief operating officer for Movia, Denmark’s largest public transport company].

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Alaistair MacGibbon, a former head of the Australian Cyber Security Centre, was quoted as telling ABC News that all “connected” vehicles, such as electric vehicles, require constant connectivity with manufacturers who have access to microphones, cameras, and GPS devices.

“The problem is, of course, that if a company is domiciled in China, they obviously come under the lawful direction of the CCP [Chinese Communist Party].”

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Our community is divided over Rachel Reeves’s proposed 3p-per-mile EV tax. While some called it a fair replacement for lost fuel duty, others warned it could risk slowing the transition to electric vehicles

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/44846811

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Norway: Chinese-made electric buses have major security flaw, can be remotely stopped and disabled by their manufacturer in China, Oslo operator says

The public transport operator in Norway's capital said Tuesday that some electric buses from China have a serious flaw -- software that could allow the manufacturer, or nefarious actors, to take control of the vehicle.

Oslo's transport operator Ruter said they had tested two electric buses this summer -- one built by China's Yutong and the other by Dutch firm VDL.

The Chinese model featured a SIM card that allowed the manufacturer to remotely install software updates that made it vulnerable, whereas the Dutch model did not.

"We've found that everything that is connected poses a risk -- and that includes buses," Ruter director Bernt Reitan Jenssen told public broadcaster NRK.

"There is a risk that for example suppliers could take control, but also that other players could break into this value chain and influence the buses."

Ruter said it was now developing a digital firewall to guard against the issue.

According to other reports, the Chinese manufacturer has access to each bus’s software updates, diagnostics, and battery control systems. “In theory, the bus could therefore be stopped or rendered unusable by the manufacturer,” the company said.

Ruter has reported its findings to Norway’s Ministry of Transport and Communications.

Arild Tjomsland, a special advisor at the University of South-Eastern Norway who helped conduct the tests, said: “The Chinese bus can be stopped, turned off, or receive updates that can destroy the technology that the bus needs to operate normally.”

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/44342362

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  • China's BYD is recalling over 115,000 vehicles in its crucial home market due to technical defects, raising concerns about quality control in the Chinese giant’s rush to keep costs down

  • Although aggressive price cuts helped fuel BYD’s run, they sparked a price war in China, prompting the company to look to overseas markets like Europe and Southeast Asia to sustain growth

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Meanwhile, BYD’s monthly sales fell in September for the first time since February 2024 as smaller domestic rivals like Geely, Xiaomi, and XPeng gained market share in China.

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The plan includes two separate recalls affecting more than 115,000 Tang plug-in hybrid (PHEV) and Yuan Pro electric vehicles.

Effective immediately, the first includes 44,535 Tang series models, produced between March 28, 2015, and July 28, 2017. BYD said the recall is due to component design issues, which can cause the drive motor controller to malfunction, and in extreme cases, fry the circuit board.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/44006161

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Driven by economic and social pressures, tens of thousands of workers from China, mostly middle-aged men, are employed in eastern Indonesia’s nickel industry, which has sprung up in the last decade. Just as critical minerals crisscross the globe before they’re incorporated into cutting-edge products, so too do some of the people who make the world’s green dreams a reality.

[According] to more than a dozen of these Chinese workers and their family members, as well as Indonesian labor leaders who have negotiated factory conditions with top Chinese executives [it was found] that, even following fatal accidents at the smelters, efforts to improve working conditions have been slow, hindered by a lack of oversight from companies, governments, and international labor groups that were dependent on U.S. funding terminated by the Trump administration. We also obtained an internal company review of a nickel smelter expansion that shows facilities are likely spreading pollution and illness well beyond factory walls. Despite the challenges, new nickel processing plants continue to emerge in Indonesia and hire from China.

Before joining Indonesia’s nickel rush, most of these Chinese men had spent almost all their lives in their home country, working in declining steel factories. [...] they had never before owned a passport or boarded a flight. Their leap into the nickel refining industry has helped create entire towns on remote islands in Indonesia, and it’s made them an unlikely backbone of the world’s green energy transition.

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Nickel is a crucial component of EV batteries and energy storage systems. More nickel in an EV battery pack means longer mileage and improved performance from a single charge.

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Indonesian workers, the Chinese companies that run the nickel factories, and international labor and environmental organizations have been attempting to improve working and living conditions. But the few changes that have taken place have come slowly. And such efforts have been hamstrung by the Trump administration’s new Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, which terminated almost all international grants from the U.S. Department of Labor. Those grants funded various initiatives to improve labor rights, occupational safety, and health, including in Indonesia.

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“Tsingshan [Holding Group, a Chinese metal and stainless steel giant Tsingshan that was among the first companies to set up production in Indonesia in the early 2010s] started to snatch up economically strained factory workers nonstop in droves,” said Jiahui Zeng, an anthropologist studying eastern Indonesia’s nickel belt at Tsinghua University in China. “For Chinese nickel workers, migration is pushed by family pressure, such as buying an apartment in a better school district for their children or preparing for a son’s marriage.” But these pressures make Chinese workers extremely vulnerable.

“Terrified of losing their income, they are reluctant to organize and wary of speaking out in Indonesia,” she added.

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[Chinese migrant worker] Wong recalled the instructor telling them there were more than 40 accidents in the industrial parks [in Indonesia] each year that resulted in severe injuries and even deaths. [...] “I didn’t understand much at the time,” said Wong.

But before long, Wong had two close calls of his own. First, he burned the back of his right hand when metallic liquid from the furnace splashed at the exit of the waste tunnel as he was walking past. And one night after heavy rain, soon after he clocked out and left the furnace, Wong stepped on what he thought was a puddle, only to find out that it was a neck-deep pond. Not knowing how to swim, he was only able to save himself by grabbing a nearby pole and pulling himself out of the water.

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Some workers he knew weren’t so lucky. An Indonesian colleague suffered severe injuries to his fingers after disregarding safety protocols to manually fix a glitch in the pouring chain. Another Chinese worker walked onto the top of an electric furnace in wet working boots and was instantly electrocuted into unconsciousness.

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[A] review showed workers at the nickel-processing facilities, as well as residents nearby, were increasingly seeking care for respiratory diseases like tuberculosis, acute pharyngitis, and acute rhinitis. Despite the industrial park being operated by multibillion-dollar corporations, the villages surrounding it still lacked wastewater drainage systems and access to clean water. In six villages outside the complex, a quarter of the residents live less than 30 feet from polluted water sources, and 41% of the residents have symptoms of dry cough.

In 12 nearby villages, the number of children with signs of stunted growth due to malnutrition and gastrointestinal infections increased by 50% in two years. “Officials and agencies know about all this,” an environmental consultant and author of part of the report, who chose to remain anonymous for fear of retribution at work, told Grist. Hardly any of the health and environmental risks were present before the construction of the Morowali Industrial Park [in Indonesia] they said.

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Yet as eastern Indonesia’s nickel industry grows, Chinese migrant workers still don’t have a seat at the table in discussions about their careers and safety.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/42985107

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  • Chinese regulators flagged flaws in the SU7’s driver-assistance system.
  • Affected vehicles were manufactured from February 2024 to August 2025.
  • Xiaomi says that the issue will be fixed via an over-the-air software update.
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/42055814

China’s automotive industry must seem like an unstoppable force to outsiders. Local champions like BYD and Geely have supplanted the international brands that first made the country the world’s largest car market in 2009. They sport the most advanced battery technology. And the People’s Republic is now the largest vehicle exporter, prompting the U.S. and the European Union to impose tariffs. Despite these advantages, scores of their carmakers are heading for a crash.

The ostensible problem is a vicious price war that has lasted more than two years. Rivalry has spiralled into what policymakers call “neijuan”, which translates literally to “involution”, a buzzword for a frantic, self-destructive struggle. The average price of a new car is likely to fall to around $24,000 this year for a basket of six automakers including Great Wall Motor and BYD; that’s 21% lower than 2021, according to estimates gathered by Visible Alpha. Carmakers also try to outdo one another with features like built-in hotpot cookers and multiple screens, free insurance and cheap loans.

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Big players are starting to feel the squeeze. After growing both market share and margins for much of the price war, BYD last week reported a nearly 30% drop in quarterly net profit. The world’s largest electric-vehicle maker followed that on Monday with its second consecutive fall in monthly production, the first time that happened since 2020. The $136 billion manufacturer had tried to boost sales with big discounts while splurging more on research and building new factories abroad. It was a similar story for Great Wall Motor, whose first-half net profit fell 10%.

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Beijing insists it wants to end this extreme level of competition, with President Xi Jinping railing against disorderly price cuts. Soon after, in July, the industry ministry told carmakers to pursue “rational competition”. Authorities are tweaking rules and guidelines, too. Such measures have had little success. Worse, none of them addresses the root cause of the industry’s woes: overcapacity. Passenger vehicle sales reached 27.6 million last year, per consultancy Automobility, but production capacity hit 55.6 million units, more than 50% higher than a decade ago, according to AlixPartners.

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Weaker players are less likely to have desirable intellectual property, and their production lines are worth little when there is excess supply. Consolidation may yet involve deals, but bankruptcies and redundances look hard to avoid. Absent a sudden huge surge in demand, swathes of China’s car industry are on a collision course with financial ruin.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/39440165

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TLDR:

  • Production and sales targets for EV makers come down from the Chinese government, dictating to its state-controlled industries what targets producers need to hit.
  • Those that meet the sales targets are incentivized, those who fail to meet targets are often punished by the state.
  • This has led to auto dealers, exporters, and other outside companies buying Chinese domestic vehicles right off the assembly line as new, and then immediately shipping them abroad where they're sold at lower prices as "fake" used models.
  • Some Chinese representatives openly praise the practice and don't shy away from the details at public events. This certainly suggests the government is well aware that it's over-producing new vehicles, deflating prices, diminishing demand, and hurting global competition, all for the sake of boosting numbers to keep politicians happy.
  • The proliferation of new cars being shipped for sale with "used" tags is reinforcing fears that China is dumping subsidized vehicles overseas, at a time when Beijing is scrambling to find export markets outside the United States, now heavily protected by tariffs.

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China's auto industry has inflated car sales for years through a burgeoning government-backed grey market that registers new cars right off the assembly line and then ships them overseas as "used" vehicles.

These so-called "zero-mileage" cars have never been driven but they are being exported as used to markets like Russia, Central Asia and the Middle East, allowing Chinese automakers to show growth and to dispose of cars that it would be difficult to sell domestically.

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The practice only gained national attention after the boss of Chinese automaker Great Wall Motor criticized the sale of zero-mileage used cars within China in May. On June 10 the People's Daily newspaper condemned the sale of zero-mileage used cars domestically.

The paper, which often signals the positions of China's top Communist Party leaders, blamed these fake used cars for driving down prices amid a withering domestic price war and called for "tough regulatory action" to restore order.

But the export and sale of fake used cars is actively encouraged by regional governments in China, according to a Reuters review of state media reports and government documents.

Local governments have embraced the practice as vital to meeting ambitious targets for economic growth set by Beijing, according to a Reuters review of local policy documents and state media articles.

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The zero-mileage used car export market works like this: as a fresh car emerges from the assembly line, an exporter buys the car either directly from the automaker or from a dealer, registers it with a Chinese license plate, and then immediately marks it as a second-hand car for shipping abroad. Along the way, the automaker books the car as sold and logs the revenue.

The support for the practice from local governments would make little sense anywhere outside China's centrally planned economy. But here, showing rapid growth in sales and employment can bring about promotion or unlock new funding while missing economic targets that trickle down from Beijing can lead to demotions of local officials.

Because these export firms both purchase and sell a single car, the transaction value is double that of new or used-car purchases, so local governments court them to set up shop on their turf to quickly and artificially boost their GDP statistics, two Chinese auto industry executives said.

The tactic is only one sign that China's car industry – the world's largest – is allowing production to outpace demand, driving a protracted domestic price war and spurring accusations of automotive "dumping" abroad.

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Local government support has taken various forms, from simplifying paperwork, to allocating extra quotas for local vehicle registrations, to setting up free warehouses for zero-mileage used cars close to China's land and maritime borders, the Chinese documents showed.

In February 2024, the planning commission of the southern city of Shenzhen, one of China's richest cities and a tech hub that is home to Huawei and Tencent, pledged to expand the export of zero-mileage used cars as part of efforts to reach an annual target to export 400,000 vehicles of all kinds.

Nearby, the southern Chinese metropolis Guangzhou announced earlier this year it had created a mechanism to support and accelerate the export of zero-mileage gasoline vehicles by allocating extra quotas for local registrations that are otherwise capped to mitigate traffic congestion and air pollution in the city.

Xinmi, a district of Zhengzhou, the provincial capital of China's third-most populous province of Henan, said in February that it helped local firm Xinjiasheng Supply Chain Management Co., Ltd to "promote zero-mileage used car exports, in order to use exports to drive domestic sales."

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The practice began sometime after 2019 when China allowed used cars to be exported to other countries. Now thousands of traders are involved in passing off new cars as used to qualify for the channel, according to Wang Meng, a consultant for the China Automobile Dealers Association.

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The proliferation of new cars being shipped for sale with "used" tags is reinforcing fears that China is dumping subsidized vehicles overseas, at a time when Beijing is scrambling to find export markets outside the United States, now heavily protected by tariffs.

Some countries, concerned that the influx of cars will crowd out local dealers and confuse consumers, are starting to push back.

"We're definitely seeing friction and tension in markets where there are already manufacturers on the ground there," said Michael Dunne, a consultant who closely follows the China auto industry.

Russia in 2023 issued a government decree effectively banning zero-mileage used cars from brands that already had official distributors in the country. The commerce bureau of Heihe, a Chinese city that sits on the China-Russia border, said last November on its website that this applied to Chinese brands such as Chery, Changan, and Geely.

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Fans of the electric tricycle gather at a rally in Cambridge and praise their favourite vehicle.

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Government will subsidise prices cuts to encourage a shift away from petrol and diesel.

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For all the Chinese government’s efforts to prevent price cuts by market leader BYD Co. from turning into a vicious spiral, analysts say a combination of weaker demand and extreme overcapacity will slice into profits at the strongest brands and force feebler competitors to fold. Even after the number of EV makers started shrinking for the first time last year, the [Chinese] industry is still using less than half its production capacity.

Chinese authorities are trying to minimize the fallout, chiding the sector for “rat race competition” and summoning heads of major brands to Beijing last week. Yet previous attempts to intervene have had little success. For the short term at least, investors are betting few automakers will escape unscathed: BYD, arguably the biggest winner from industry consolidation, has lost $21.5 billion in market value since its shares peaked in late May.

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Auto CEOs were told last week they must “self-regulate” and shouldn’t sell cars below cost or offer unreasonable price cuts, according to people familiar with the matter. The issue of zero-mileage cars also came up — where vehicles with no distance on their odometers are sold by dealers into the second-hand market, seen widely as a way for automakers to artificially inflate sales and clear inventory.

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The pricing turmoil is also unfolding against a backdrop of significant overcapacity. The average production utilization rate in China’s automotive industry was mere 49.5% in 2024, data compiled by Shanghai-based Gasgoo Automotive Research Institute show.

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The Chinese electric vehicle (EV) boom has turned into a dramatic shakeout with 400 Chinese EV companies ceasing operations between 2018 – 2025 [...] China’s EV startup explosion was fuelled by generous subsidies, tax breaks, and easy access to local production licenses between 2015 and 2019. According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), this led to an overcrowded market of more than 500 ventures, many lacking core technology, supply chains, or scale.

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Apparently you can now get Clubcard points when you use the Pod Points at Tesco.

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3000 miles ought to be enough charge for anybody.

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This is an op-ed piece by Katharina Osthoff, Senior Policy Advisor at Friedrich Naumann Eurooe Foundation, and Sam Goodman, Senior Policy Director of the China Strategic Risks Institute, the co-Founder and co-Chair of the New Diplomacy Project.

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While the growing influx of competitively priced and well equipped Chinese EVs may appear the superior choice for both consumers and policymakers in Europe, they bring with them substantial economic risks. These risks threaten the domestic automotive industry, which is outmatched by Chinese EV production as well as Europe’s ambitious environmental goals that rely on a substantial shift towards EVs. Yet, the implications extend far beyond economic or ecological concerns. Chinese EVs potentially pose new challenges when it comes to the EU’s commitment to data protection abroad and at home, as well as to upholding security and global human rights standards.

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At the heart of China’s EV production lie deliberate, state-controlled industrial policies: massive state subsidies, overcapacity, and strategic export orientation. This has enabled China’s EV manufacturers to produce high-quality vehicles at near-unbeatable prices, which facilitated companies like BYD, Nio, and Chery to scale-up production rapidly and flood global markets, including in Europe. [...] Today, Beijing holds influential positions across the entire supply chain: from raw material extraction to battery production and final assembly. The EU's commitment to a green transition, which heavily relies on increasing the market share of EVs, exacerbates this issue. This situation highlights a paradox where European liberal free-market democracies are seemingly outperformed by China's state-supported enterprises.

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[European] domestic manufactures are hamstrung by fragmented national policies and underinvestment. This imbalance risks creating a structural dependency on Chinese imports. Unlike past technological shifts, this dependency is not only commercial in nature but also geopolitical. China’s overcapacity is not a market accident but rather the product of deliberate policy choices , aimed at dominating critical technologies and global value chains. The implications for the EU extend far beyond industrial competitiveness. As demonstrated in past cases of economic coercion, most notably against Lithuania, Beijing has shown its willingness to use market access and trade ties as instruments of political pressure. A future in which China controls a large share of the EU’s EV market risks giving Beijing undue influence over European policymaking, including the ability to discourage criticism of its human rights record, military posture, or foreign policy behaviour.

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Driving a Trojan Horse? Data, Security, and Surveillance

Aside from the clear economic risks that Chinese EVs present to Europe’s automotive manufacturing, growing concerns about data privacy, surveillance, and cybersecurity cannot be sidelined. As the former head of MI6 aptly put it, EVs are not just cars but “computers on wheels.” European regulators should take seriously the data security risks this implies. Under the National Intelligence Law and China’s Data Security Law, Chinese EV manufacturers and their suppliers operate under a legal obligation to cooperate with the Ministry of State Security and are prohibited from disclosing this cooperation to foreign governments, raising serious cybersecurity concerns. Chinese Communist Party cells are required to be embedded within the corporate structures of these [EV] firms, making the firewall between commercial operations and the Chinese state increasingly porous. Additionally, many manufacturers rely on software and components from firms such as DeepSeek, which have already been flagged for their data practices.

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Hidden Costs: Labour and Human Rights in the EV Supply Chain

At the same time, the EU cannot afford to ignore the human rights concerns associated with China’s EV supply chain. Beijing has secured a commanding lead in the supply chain for key battery materials with Chinese firms like BYD having established a strong presence in lithium mining and processing operations across Latin America and parts of Africa. [...] The growing scrutiny has already led to tangible shifts in corporate behaviour. Volkswagen’s recent decision to exit Xinjiang reflects growing pressure on European firms to sever ties with entities linked to systemic human rights abuses. While the company cited economic reasons for the sale, the move underscores the reputational and legal risks European firms face if they remain entangled with controversial actors in the Chinese EV ecosystem. Beyond supply chains, the ethical and legal implications of technology partnerships with Chinese firms demand closer examination. Several leading Chinese tech companies such as Hikvision and others have been implicated in surveillance activities and abuses, particularly in Xinjiang. Partnerships of this nature carry considerable reputational risks in liberal democracies and may expose European firms to secondary sanctions or consumer backlash.

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Such pragmatic policy solutions aimed at restoring the EU’s competitive edge should include:

  • The EU should commit to reviewing the EU’s countervailing tariffs on Chinese EVs within the first year of the new EU Commission.
  • The EU should review the EU’s current Foreign Direct Investment Regulation to focus on rules regarding joint ventures to look at local ownership requirements, data security requirements, and local content requirements.
  • The EU should legally require foreign EV companies from a country where the EU does not have a data standards equivalency agreement to store data on European servers and to commit not to transfer the data overseas under any circumstances.
  • The EU should negotiate economic security partnership agreements with value partners such as Japan and the Republic of Korea. One target under these partnerships would be to encourage joint ventures between European automotive producers and world leading Japanese and South Korea battery producers including Samsung, SK Innovation, Panasonic, and LG Energy Solution.
  • The EU should investigate forced labour in Xinjiang, add the geographic region of Xinjiang to its forced labour risk database, and introduce guidelines for European businesses regarding the prevalence of forced labour goods in the automotive supply chain.
  • European policymakers should expand tax incentives and other measures to encourage European automotive companies to work together to share research, development, and production costs for EVs.
  • The European Commission should work with European Member States to coordinate Next Generation EU and Multiannual Financial Framework funds to support the development of the European EV sector, including encouraging matching private sector investment in the EV battery supply chain and EV charging infrastructure. This should serve as the frontrunner to an EU-wide Green Industrial Strategy.

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This is really pretty amazing how poorly designed the Tesla doors are, where if the power fails (like in a crash or a fire), you might need to remove the speaker grill or two separate panels to get to the emergency mechanical door release.

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Hydrogen - it's the future!

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