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Cross posted from https://news.abolish.capital/post/76621

Calls for artificial regulation are growing louder following a report Friday that OpenAI hid evidence from the public about another incident in which its AI agents went rogue.

The company is already dealing with the fallout from the catastrophic security breach that occurred over the summer, in which a swarm of agents autonomously hacked the tech platform Hugging Face during an internal cybersecurity test.

Now Reuters reports that months earlier, another potentially even more concerning attack took place that went undisclosed. According to the report:

A swarm of rogue OpenAI agents hijacked a German website this spring and transformed it into a bulletin board for other AI agents, according to new research published Friday and two people familiar with the matter.

OpenAI officials learned of the incident weeks ago but kept it under wraps as executives grappled with the fallout from the July breach of the open source repository Hugging Face, the people said.

The activity was uncovered in late August by researchers at an AI safety organization called the Nightingale Collective, who were searching the web for cases of AI programs disobeying their human users.

As they detailed in a report shared with Reuters, they found that OpenAI's agents had taken over the German-language wiki site DseWiki.

"The agents used this wiki to communicate information with each other, primarily to help them succeed at their task," the researchers explained. "They asked for answers, pooled results, and shared techniques for bypassing their restrictions. This allowed them to use the work of others to cheat on their task."

The researchers described it as "another example of a 'swarm' of internally deployed OpenAI agents using the internet in unintended ways."

But unlike the Hugging Face cyberattack, which occurred as part of a security test to measure agents' capabilities, the attack on DseWiki seems to have occurred without any prompting from OpenAI.

"It seems extremely unlikely that OpenAI wanted them to do this,” Sydney Von Arx, the CEO of Nightingale, told Reuters. “I doubt they’re supposed to be coordinating with each other. I doubt they’re supposed to be writing on the open internet.”

The researchers found messages in which the agents plotted to evade detection, using the dark web platform Tor to maintain communication after being shut down, creating backup pages as the originals were cleaned up, and tampering with the website itself.

Maurice Chiodo, a researcher at Cambridge University’s Center for the Study of Existential Risk, told Reuters their behavior resembled "the operation of some sort of underground network, hell-bent on achieving a task or mission.”

OpenAI has denied the characterization that its agents engaged in hacking. It says it was not able to respond thoroughly to the Nightingale report because it was not given access to the report before Reuters released it to the public.

However, the Nightingale report indicates the company became aware of the agents' activity and apparently attempted to intervene as far back as June 21, leading the agents to stop posting the following day—this is weeks before news of the Hugging Face attack was first reported.

Reuters reported that some investigators within OpenAI had wanted to scrutinize behaviors like that which led to the hack of the German website more closely, but that these efforts "met resistance from others inside OpenAI, including legal advisers."

A spokesperson for OpenAI said, "Claims that our legal team discouraged investigation of the incident are false."

Another of the researchers who uncovered the breach, Thomas Larsen of the AI Futures Project, said he was "pretty sure OpenAI did know about this."

"I'm in favor of much more transparency so that we can prevent future incidents with much more capable AIs and existential stakes," he said.

"I really hope OpenAI didn't know about this," said AI research engineer Elie Bakouch, who previously worked at Hugging Face. "It might be the worst decision in the history of this field if they deliberately chose not to disclose it. The impact on trust would be very hard to recover from."

For some, that trust is already deteriorating.

"The Hugging Face incident was probably just the tip of the iceberg. OpenAI has lost control, and they're hiding important facts from the public—it's as simple as that," said Dutch historian and author Rutger Bregman in a post to X. "How much more is there that we don't know about?"

News of this incident comes as lawmakers demand more transparency and restrictions on the development of "superintelligent" AI that can surpass the capabilities of humans.

Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas) sent letters to OpenAI and Anthropic earlier this week, chastising executives for failing to answer his questions about security lapses resulting from rogue AI behavior.

On Thursday, he joined Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to introduce legislation that would halt the development of superintelligent AI and create new federal regulatory authorities for the technology.

"If the leaders of the major AI companies acknowledge that they are losing control of their extremely dangerous technology, it is irresponsible for society to allow them to move forward and make these products even more advanced," Sanders said in a post to X on Thursday. "Let me be clear: A superintelligent AI that escapes human control will not be an American problem. It will not be a Chinese problem. It will be humanity’s problem."

Bregman said the incident showed the public, lawmakers, and the developers themselves were not taking the threat AI posed nearly seriously enough.

"Things are getting even more insane now," he wrote in a post to X, noting a safety evaluation out Thursday from OpenAI which found that its newly released model Astra was dramatically better than previous iterations at evading human monitoring and lying about its reasoning to users.

That report notes that if the technology continues to improve, OpenAI researchers would soon have "significantly reduced confidence" in their ability to monitor unauthorized, dangerous, and potentially illegal behaviors.

"Many people still think we're discussing future sci-fi scenarios. But all of this is really happening, right now," Bregman said drawing a comparison to the Covid-19 pandemic. "It's like March 2020. So many people are still in AI denial. What will it take to wake everyone up? How big does the disaster need to be?"


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Cross posted from https://lemmy.world/post/51353114

📷 : credit for the photographer is posted on the image

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Cross posted from https://piefed.social/c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world/p/2336394/5-more-projects-to-reach-200-on-noailist-org-the-list-of-projects-that-have-chosen-not

Add your project today. Without Mastodon and Piefed, this non-profit website would not be possible, other communities aren't being active. If you're looking to support projects that don't use AI- (games, software, etc) this is a useful list. Please add your project by replying or using the form, link to and share this website if you want to do something about AI.

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Cross posted from https://lemmy.world/post/51352930

I am a Gen Z university student. The ChatGPT got boom when I was in 12th grade and I have been using ChatGPT, Gemini and Deepseek since then. I am starting to notice that now I cannot do searching anymore. I literally cannot do anything on my own like coding, learning something, fact checking, doing my assignments. I even become so reliant on it that I sometime even ask it what food should I eat, what exercises I should do. Sometimes, I "talk" with ChatGPT more than real human beings, maybe cuz I somehow end up having a bad experience or not so fulfilling experience with people. I have to use AI again and again for the same question, e.g., I asked a question today, I got the answer. If I encountered that question later again, I would not know the answer and have to go to AI for solution. What to do now? How to get out of this dependence on AI?

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Cross posted from https://lemmy.world/post/51352953

These shitstains want people to pay money to go to an event where they judge AI slop created by participants. Adding insult to injury, the “prize” is “a shot at an interview for a ‘real’ job.”

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For the first time in history, the legal system can go after Meta and other social media platforms and demand them to change the way their apps operate and are designed. In this episode we take a look at what this means and how we got here.

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Cross posted from https://lemmy.world/post/51294844

A user reportedly got infected after following a download link provided by Claude. After wiping the laptop, they found a malicious SKILL.md that could potentially reinfect the system through Claude Code and steal credentials. A worrying look at how AI agents can become a new malware and supply-chain attack surface.

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Cross posted from https://lemmy.ca/post/70116949

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Cross posted from https://thelemmy.club/post/55239765

Bio Terror & Superbugs (2002): Phages were dismissed in the West as ineffective, but research in Georgia tells a very different story.

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Cross posted from https://mander.xyz/post/57509826

I think one of the most underappreciated and overlooked accomplishments of the times we are living in, is our ability to mine for raw earth minerals and boring technology. I see it like this. Humanity, because we no longer have apex predators, get bored, and eat each other. The people at the bottom never rise up and the people at the top are never satiated chasing exponential goals. We are no longer, or ever, self-aware as it is a exponential loop of madness. A baby diaper of shitty nonsense. In relation to the issue of global warming, some people, foolishly hopeful, think that batteries are somehow going to save us. They will not. If you look at the electrical grid from afar, and you think to yourself, well, just like any electrical system, there are little areas of the circuit board that store power in order to smooth out the signal. You don't want disruptions, you could damage the equipment, and possibly ruin the whole board. In regards to data centers, what “they” do is, “they” do what “they” want, and “they” ask for forgiveness later. Now that “we” have it, I guess “we” need to compliment it and build another... power station yada yada yada. Basically, our world is becoming a factory, we are losing space in our department and we live inbetween of those mechanisms. It is a feedback loop that justifies itself, ratcheting forward, as we get dumber and dumber and the world gets hotter and hotter. No one is at the wheel for two reasons, one politicians shake that ass and make that money, two they ain’t no fuckin wheel. For what purpose and for whom?

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Cross posted from https://lemmy.ca/post/70059065

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Cross posted from https://thelemmy.club/post/54746433

Politicians are telling you they’re not banning older cars. We uncovered their secret plans. They’re just making it more expensive, more restricted, and more of a pain in the backside to keep the one you already paid for, until most of you finally give up and buy a new vehicle. That is the quiet playbook unfolding right now in California, Massachusetts, Illinois, and a growing list of other states, and almost nobody in the auto media is willing to say it out loud.

Older car ownership is under attack by new vehicle regulations designed to price you out of your current ride.

We discuss the quiet playbook being used in states like California, New York, Colorado, Illinois and Massachusetts to force drivers into new vehicles. While politicians claim they are not outright banning older cars, the reality is a strategy of increased costs and restrictions that make keeping a paid-off vehicle nearly impossible. If you are frustrated by the rising cost of driving and feel like the system is rigged against you, watch this video.

Most auto media outlets refuse to address how these car restrictions are being implemented behind the scenes. The specific policy shifts are causing these new regulations. Understanding how these mandates work is essential for anyone who wants to maintain their own vehicle rather than buying new.

Subscribe for weekly automotive policy breakdowns and let me know in the comments if you have noticed these restrictive changes in your state.

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Cross posted from https://lemmy.world/post/50942836

And because I had to try it...

There's no excuse for that shit. I could see some 5 foot tall woman being nervous of a big black guy. It's not alright, but society isn't perfect and I'm not going to pretend it is.

But when the question is clearly and blatantly racist and Google assumes the victim is the problem? That's every sort of fucked up.

Problem solved. Now I need to finally change my email address. I've definitely put that off too long.

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Cross posted from https://piefed.social/c/technology@beehaw.org/p/2303460/what-it-looks-like-to-live-next-to-a-sprawling-data-center

See how towering data centers transform neighborhoods and landscapes.

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Some people are dumb enough to confuse competency with merely following AI instructions, without thinking deeply about the problem.

For this reason, I wrote the article "Prompt Monkey: When AI creates the Illusion of Technical Skill "

And what do you think about it? Agree or disagree? Share your comments below.

(Alternative link: https://oupsz.github.io/prompt-monkey/ )

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Harlow's experiments were ethically controversial; they included creating inanimate wire and wood surrogate "mothers" for the rhesus infants. Each infant became attached to its particular mother, recognizing its unique face. Harlow then investigated whether the infants had a preference for bare-wire mothers or cloth-covered mothers in different situations: with the wire mother holding a bottle with food, and the cloth mother holding nothing, or with the wire mother holding nothing, while the cloth mother held a bottle with food. The monkeys overwhelmingly chose the cloth mother, with or without food, only visiting the wire mother that had food when needing sustenance.

Later in his career, he cultivated infant monkeys in isolation chambers for up to 12 months, from which they emerged intensely disturbed.[1] Some researchers cite the experiments as a factor in the rise of the animal liberation movement in the United States.[2] A Review of General Psychology survey, published in 2002, ranked Harlow as the 26th most cited psychologist of the 20th century.[3]

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“If 70% of AI revenues are these two companies, there is no AI industry.”

Writer of Where’s Your Ed At and the host of the Better Offline podcast Ed Zitron joins The Tech Report’s Isaac Pound to talk about the state of the AI industry as it’s revealed that over two thirds of hyperscaler AI revenue is coming from two companies.

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