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Hi all! This is an alt for anonymity. Please be gentle, this is a hard topic for me to discuss.

I'm a progressive United States citizen who is looking to get out. I'm of Italian descent so I'm working on getting Italian citizenship through jure sanguinis, but it's going to take some time, if it works at all (gotta substantiate some relations) and won't extend to my husband until he completes a citizenship test, which he can do after living in Italy for two years.

Here's my big question: is moving to Italy even a good idea?

I know there's a significant element of fascism there, but that seems to be the case to varying extents throughout Europe. I've visited a few times as a tourist and everyone was very kind. I also have a US cousin that lives there as a permanent resident near Napoli and she is very encouraging, saying people will be welcoming. We don't want much, just to make a living and maybe have a kid.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Be careful. If you move to Italy, you might start hating people over how they eat food(like eating spaghetti with bread)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Hah, I know exactly what you're talking about. I've been on the "double carbs bad" train for awhile, but I don't care when other people do it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I was planning on leaving if the orange got reelected. I only didn't because in the years between when I made that decision (2021) and now, I found myself in a relationship cohabitating with my partner. She's here as a refugee and can't leave or that gets rescinded. It took some serious soul searching to decide to retract my longstanding plan to escape this hellish fascist-speedrun. I was even doing phone interviews. If you think you could be happy, do it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Moving to another country, especially when the native language is not English, that's a massive challenge. It's important that you're going there for a positive reason. Otherwise you could have chosen anywhere, right? So your motivation to be a community member there would be low. So don't just run away from Musk. Find other goals and reasons to aim for Italy.

Also, every country and city has some assholes loving in it. Not everyone is very kind. That's life.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Oh hey, we're kinda on the same boat here (without the jure sanguinis part). Probably would try to get to a university instead. A big bet, I know, but there's not much to go on here either.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Are you a cis woman? I ask because you said you have a husband and you may want a kid. Italy is going against gay adoption, and I think it's not easier if you're a trans woman with a cis man, for example. You could try to have some information about abortion, because right to abort isn't the same thing to access to this right. It's not specific to Italy, and I think a lot of European countries are currently going the same way.

Edit: I mean, if you like the country, have family and really want to leave, I don't think it's a bad idea.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not too fond of the plenty Americans having the same idea.
Stay there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Italy has just changed it’s rules on citizenship. You now need to prove you had an Italian parent or grandparent in order to be eligible. Before, there was no generational cut off.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-curbs-citizenship-rules-end-tenuous-descendant-claims-2025-03-28/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I literally just read about this. There goes that opportunity. Ugh.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Depends on how committed you are to the change.

Here’s the Reddit sub on the issue of citizenship by ancestry: https://www.reddit.com/r/juresanguinis/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for the link. I don't understand your comment, though.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You would have to move to Italy and live there for a certain number of years. For you it is probably 10 years continuous residency although as your ancestor was Italian it might be much shorter. To go and live there you would need a visa - a work visa or maybe something like an elective visa (private income so you’re not a burden on the sate), or an investor visa (buying residency).

If you were to have a child while there I don’t know what that would mean. It probably means they would be eligible and you would have the right to stay and look after them. But you would need to carefully assess what that would mean for the child’s statehood and identity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the summary, much appreciated.

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