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    [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    Related, I predict Windows on ARM will be a massive failure, again.

    Windows is Windows because a critical mass of their market is terrified of being vaguely incompatible with any software they use today. Wine will never give them enough confidence just like ARM emulation of x86 will never give them confidence.

    Extra bizarre, from what I've seen the Windows devices vendors are treating the ARM variants as a premium model and charging more for them, despite having no real compelling story for the customers. You can either have an x86 offering that's from all appearances just as overall capable and absolutely able to run your software today, on an ARM offering that is more expensive and maybe a bit less compatible, with maybe better battery life (either sincerely or at least a belief).

    Mac is able to force the issue because the hardware and software all wanted to make ARM happen and forced it, but with Windows on ARM, only Qualcomm really cares, Microsoft and all the device vendors would prefer to hedge their bets, which in this case tie goes to the incumbent.

    [–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    I just tried to install Ubuntu on an old MacBook and after booting neither the keyboard nor trackpad work. CMD +R reset the whole thing to a working Mac so I’m still not sold

    [–] Acters@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    You tried to install a non apple approved software(being the entire OS) on a Mac system. Imagine how hard it is for linux developers to support this blackbox hardware configuration?

    Try using something actually easier to program/use for running linux type OSes. I usually will suggest AMD.

    If you need a strong graphics card on a laptop, I think those frameworks will be more than capable of offering that kind of flexibility. The potential of packing it up so that if you feel like the power-hungry gpu will take too much battery, then it can be flexible in allowing you to remove the gpu without thinking about a screwdriver

    If you need ARM, then you should be mindful of the fact that the arm ecosystem is still quite new for pc users. There are not many software choices, but it does show some promise.

    If you think you need Mac hardware, then you don't need to go around throwing linux on it. MacOS is already Unix like. You are going to live with the fact that no one outside of apple will have proper hardware support at the OS level. Let alone driver support.

    [–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Heard and understood. I just wanted to mess around with a laptop collecting dust and Linux is all the rage these days. Don’t particularly need it for any purpose, just tinkering

    [–] Acters@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

    Well, it seemed from your comment that you just expected this to work without tinkering. However, now you admit to be tinkering? This is a rather confusing story. When I'm tinkering, I'm exploring and expecting to run into edge cases or unsupported environments. Linux may be great, but it's just a kernel with GNU on top to help build the larger OS. I believe the attitude towards linux is a bit misguided. It is a great tool, and its strengths mainly lie in the freedom of usage that allows for both fine-tune control and automatibility. I say windows and MacOS are strictly non automatable environments unless you venture into the developer side, and that will undoubtedly bring some with it some problems. As such, many systems that require the user to be more hands off and operate with high uptime will use Linux kernels. Being able to automate the process with minimal user input is essential in the performance and reliability of critical systems demand.

    Again, I did not wish to be condemning your actions and rather alert you to the differing problems these tools are made to solve. MacOs and thereby its hardware was geared towards being an apple only product that is only properly supported by apple, and the problem it solves is to be a tool for rich and self-conscious individuals.

    Windows was created to be a home and enterprise OS that can be used in almost any system that is quite an outstanding feat, but it really is because of the number of developers and users offer the ability for things to work. Mind you that even Windows was not made to be extremely automatable. yet there are tools being created to offer automating tasks, but many are closed source and tied to requiring funding. I even ran into some odd issues every once in a while.

    Linux was expressly made to be a minimal system that offered high uptime and high automatibility that was free for everyone to contribute or use. This allows users and admins to set up their systems to be more hands-off when it came to tasks that were extremely time-consuming or continually have to be worked on without deadline while keeping costs low. It is just recently that Linux-based distributions are able to make use of features and packages that are geared to users who need to make manual tasks. Wayland is finally being more stable, driver support from large manufacturers, and even emulation of Windows APIs with use of proton/wine is getting better. Thus offering users the ability to do manual tasks and mix custom made automated scripts/tools into their environments.

    Many see the hype and equate it to being able to use Linux systems like they did with the very much well funded manual systems that Windows and MacOS offered. Instead, Linux is just a tool and can be useful when it is needed.

    [–] luciddaemon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I remember 2014 being pretty easy to install Linux. Windows 7 and 10 were also pretty easy then.

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    [–] papafoss@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think the biggest shift in the last 20 years is troubleshooting in Linux and windows.

    20 years ago and I had to troubleshoot issues and Linux. It genuinely required a good bit of computer knowledge to get it done. Sometimes hours of work to figure out how to get a webcam to work Or how to fix grub?

    Windows back then used to be so easy. And there was usually something that would do a quick fix.

    However, now and I run across a windows issue. It's a nightmare. I can put hours of work into trying to fix a driver issue or an issue with updates and get nowhere. Then go to reinstall the operating system and have to spend more hours just to get it installed.

    Now in Linux, not only do I rarely have issues but also fixing those issues are pretty straightforward. And if I can't fix it a reinstall takes minutes and I'm back up and running in no time.

    [–] andrewth09@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    Windows tries to obfuscate any useful information while Linux tries to give logs and man entries to walk the user through what went wrong.

    [–] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    When the BSOD code has nothing to do with your actual problem

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    [–] speeding_slug@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

    Nowadays I just roll my Linux installation back to before the updates using the BTRFS integration with the package manager. It works great and I'm never at a point where I can't use my computer because updates broke it. Heck, even if I bork it myself it's no biggie.

    [–] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, same for me with NixOS

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