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In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ‘‡

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[โ€“] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Whatever you choose, remember that ease of migration is important. So for email buy your own domain name and use a service like mailbox.org that allows custom domains and full IMAP access.

[โ€“] Snothvalpen@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

As far as I can tell from posteo's own FAQ site, they do not allow custom domains. I'd really consider swithcing to them otherwise. Do you use posteo?

[โ€“] perishthethought@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

I literally just asked their support about this last year and they confirmed they intentionally don't offer this option.

[โ€“] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Woops I think I was thinking of mailbox.org who does support domains.

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[โ€“] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

I swear by Njalla, which is run by Peter Sunde

[โ€“] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

is tuta the new pick for custom domain email?

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[โ€“] lazzerot@startrek.website 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

Protonmail has been my main email provider for the past 7 years, and unless its CEO decides to sell it to Trump or Musk I honestly don't see how his stupid private or not so private opinions are worth the hassle of changing my email for the million things I use my main and all the other emails I registered with Protonmail.
Most rich people have very dubious or outright awful political opinions and unless you're rich enough to have someone build you an alternative or deconnected enough from society/only exist in programmer circles and are able to live entirely on FOSS software I don't see why the average user should care about the CEO's political stance. Maybe that's my ignorant opinion as a European, but would you stop using Linux if you found out Linus Torvalds secretly loves Windows? Probably not.

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[โ€“] guismo@aussie.zone 6 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I've been using Runbox for many years and it's weird i don't see recommendations.

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[โ€“] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 5 points 10 months ago

been using https://migadu.com/ for a few months now and its pretty great

[โ€“] bobbyfiend@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I have been on Opalstack since they started. I like them. I pay for hosting monthly. I've self-hosted several apps there (or tried to, sometimes; I couldn't make everything work all the time). Nextcloud is dodgy; I like it, but it's a pain in the ass for someone like me (not a dev, not a coder) to deal with the almost inevitable problems every 2 or 3 times I need to upgrade. And I've never been able to get an office suite working well. Much of this could be because I'm trying to run NC on shared hosting; even opalstack's support doesn't fix all of that.

Email: opalstack has email. I use it. I don't actually know what service it is, but I have three or four mailboxes linked to a couple of domain names I own, and several hundred email addresses* Thunderbird does great with IMAP on my laptop, desktop, and phone, with opalstack as the server.

*lots of emails because when I sign up for something I create a new email address just in case they sell my stuff and I start to get spam.

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