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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 236 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The wonders of taxing the rich.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 34 points 5 days ago (7 children)

TBF, from the analysis someone else posted, taxing the rich only brought in, like, 550 mil. Which isn't nothing, but it's not like "tax the rich" saved the city - they did a lot of other stuff.

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Although true, I think that undersells the effect of even this minor tax on the rich. Every dollar out of a rich person pocket is a dollar out of asset investments portfolios and another dollar in the local economy. Until housing isn't a viable investment vehicle, as an example, that's another dollar not going to increasing the cost of housing. Housing getting cheaper means cost of living goes down not just for the worker but for the stores that sell you your food and your stuff, which has a knock on effect of making cost of living even cheaper.

Taxing the rich, even a small additional percentage, isn't just about raising more money it's about redistributing it from the people who use it in the worst ways possible (corrupting systems, amassing power, buying the world) to the people who use it in the best way possible (paying for food, housing, education, healthcare, hobbies, art, and their communities).

We should tax multi-millionaires out of existence, but any additional tax against the systemic problem of wealth inequality is a win in my book.

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[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 62 points 5 days ago (4 children)
[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 5 days ago (3 children)

gasp

Where's your tolerance?! I thought progressives were nice!

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tolerance doesn't mean someone can't be mean to you. It means they give you the same rights they expect you to give them.

This includes the right to say "get fucked" to others and to disassociate from people that are likely to say "get fucked" to you.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Listen sweaty, Martin Luther King didn't create the underground railroad by telling people to get fucked, okay? He was all about nonviolence AKA, ya know being nice to people?? Preeeettttyyy suuuure I know what I'm talking about here.

spoilerPlease, dear readers, don't make me submit to the /s degradation, I'll do it like this instead lol

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Anyone who thinks you're being earnest here is beyond hope lol

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

I think you're right, I'm sometimes more subtle than I mean to be but not this time lol

[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

no, i'm an angry progressive. think we should bring back the bull moose party and find a socialist that can gish gallop the way Trump does

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[–] ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com 136 points 6 days ago (4 children)

In a couple months? Would be curious to see how, anyone have a ELI5 sheet of the changes made?

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 188 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They taxed rich people and kept congestion pricing pretty much.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A big slug of money from the state was the real budget closer.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Right. In exchange for taxing second homes in NYC

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 10 points 5 days ago

"The poor get all the breaks! It isn't fair!"

Right, taxing second homes worth $5 million or more. Are we supposed to feel sorry about rich people who can afford a SECOND home that's over $5 million, when they are asked to pay a tiny bit extra?

Those wealthy parasites would let everybody in NYC literally starve to death before they would pay an extra nickel. Fuck anyone who believes that, we should confiscate EVERYTHING from them, and throw them in prison.

[–] krellor@fedia.io 101 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Gift article from the NY times explaining.

But influx from the state, taxes on second homes, deferred payments to pension programs, and a host of compromises. He in no way raised $12Bn in new revenue through taxes to cover the deficit.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.cafe 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They also got rid of state financial obligations that Cuomo had stuck on the city, and cleaned up corruption from past administrations. Those were significant savings, too.

The point is that governments can be substantially improved with even a little actual reform and not duplicitous reform like DOGE. We can have change, it just takes voting in responsible, ethical government managers, not carnival barkers.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 5 days ago (4 children)

DOGE wasn't "reform," it was sabotage

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's what they are saying. It was duplicitous. It presented itself as reform but was not.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Which would be why they called it duplicitous

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 days ago

deferred payments to pension programs

Oof, not too sure about this one...

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[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

Most of the $12 billion was a bailout from the state according to the video.

[–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

The article linked above seems to roughly agree:

  • $6.5B state aid + school funding / life insurance payout shifts to state responsibility
  • $2.8B from the city via delayed pensions + taxes on second homes valued >$5M

Earlier this year, Ms. Hochul committed $1.5 billion in state aid for a host of municipal services. The state budget, which has not yet been finalized, is also expected to include a host of policy changes and revenue increases that will funnel another $4 billion to the city over the next two years.

The largest share — about $2.3 billion over two years — is expected to come from the city’s delaying certain pension payments, a change that requires state approval and buy-in from municipal unions.

The mayor and governor also expect another half-billion dollars to flow from the new tax surcharge on second homes worth more than $5 million that Ms. Hochul recently announced. But the city comptroller recently argued that number might be overly optimistic, and New York City’s byzantine property valuation system means that the new tax would come with substantial implementation challenges.

The city is expected to save another $1 billion over two years from several changes, including the state’s expected agreement to delay a class-size mandate in public schools (despite Mr. Mamdani’s support for the mandate as a candidate); more school aid from the state; and the assumption by the state of a larger share of death benefits for families of police officers, firefighters and emergency medical workers.

[–] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I bet most of the pension changes are probably for NYPD members.

The NYPD pension provides retirement benefits based on years of service, salary history, and plan type, with average full-career retiree pensions exceeding $100,000 annually

Holy fuck

They get a over $100k USD pension, wtf.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 19 points 5 days ago

Well, they need that to stop them being corrupt.

I mean, it hasn't worked so far, but it might.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 39 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The largest share — about $2.3 billion over two years — is expected to come from the city’s delaying certain pension payments, a change that requires state approval and buy-in from municipal unions.

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To balance this year’s budget, Mr. Mamdani is proposing to delay payments into New York City’s pension funds.

The city has five pension funds representing teachers, police officers, firefighters and other unionized municipal workers. The returns, which are invested, total about $300 billion.

The mayor’s plan, which would save $2.3 billion through the end of the upcoming fiscal year, would involve restructuring the city’s contributions to the funds following an overhaul instituted in 2013 by Bill de Blasio, then the mayor of New York City, and Andrew M. Cuomo, then the governor. At that time, the mayor changed the city’s pension payment obligations following a drop in the assumed rate of return, to 7 percent from 8 percent.

(and fucking, of course: "Police officers’ pensions would be unaffected by the proposed change, as their union, the Police Benevolent Association, is opposed to the plan.")

https://archive.ph/XARnw (NY Times)

So, it sounds like the biggest contribution to the balanced budget is to push problems down the road and delay funding pensions. To a certain extent I get it. He was left with a time bomb that was about to go off, and if he can balance the budget (even if it's by delaying pension payments) he can defuse that time bomb and get some breathing room. I would hope that the unions accept the pension delay because I think having him as mayor is going to pay off for them in the long term.

It's clear that this budget isn't really balanced, at least not long term. It sounds like he's still going to have to make some hard decisions, either cutting benefits or raising revenues. It sounds like one item that needs addressing is the cost per student in NYC which is twice as high as other places. That's going to involve making some hard decisions and taking on some powerful special interests.

And of course, if he can actually fix NYC's biggest problem (the NYPD) he'll go a long way to solving the other probems.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's the biggest individual contribution, but it was only about 20% of the deficit. The other 80% was actually solved, as far as I can tell.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 5 days ago (6 children)

A huge chunk of it was state spending, or the state agreeing not to force the city to meet state mandates:

Earlier this year, Ms. Hochul committed $1.5 billion in state aid for a host of municipal services. The state budget, which has not yet been finalized, is also expected to include a host of policy changes and revenue increases that will funnel another $4 billion to the city over the next two years.

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The city is expected to save another $1 billion over two years from several changes, including the state’s expected agreement to delay a class-size mandate in public schools (despite Mr. Mamdani’s support for the mandate as a candidate); more school aid from the state; and the assumption by the state of a larger share of death benefits for families of police officers, firefighters and emergency medical workers.

That's happening because "Ms. Hochul, ... is facing re-election this year, [and] needs Mr. Mamdani’s help in turning out Democratic voters in New York City." After she's securely in office for another 4 year term, who knows how willing she'll be to do those same deals.

If Mandami remains popular, maybe he can keep the governor on his side. It would be ideal if they solved some of these problems as a team instead of working against each-other. I'm hopeful. Right now people seem to be in a very anti-status-quo mood. Mandami is showing how Democratic Socialism is a different way of doing things from the status quo. If he appears to be succeeding, more people will want to work with him. If more people can work with him, he can maybe take on some of the really big challenges that require a lot of people working together. At that point, it's not just a budget that appears to be balanced if you shift the pension burdens into the future. It may actually be a budget that will really work in the long term.

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[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

All debt is "kicking the can down the road" in some way, having a plan for it seems better than not though.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 96 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Who would have thought taxing the rich improves everyone's lives?

Nah, they just got lucky. We absolutely cannot keep trying this, because it's doomed to fail. Capitalism is the only system that works.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If we tax the rich they will all move away to other countries then we will be left here with just the people who do all the work. We will never survive

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No need to seize the means of production if they simply abandon it...

[–] Snowwdropp@lemmy.zip 23 points 5 days ago

I say let's try it elsewhere, just to prove those despicable commies it was absolutely a fluke.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 87 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And Dems fought him at every turn.

[–] SirKarlSin@lemmy.world 45 points 6 days ago (2 children)

and repubs. only the proplr sided with him and that was enough

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

prowlr to the proplr!

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

This type of governing has been possible the whole time which is the worst part. Keep up the good work Mamdani and his team.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

I love how the wing of the party that expected us to accept that "starting the process of rescheduling cannabis" is the same thing as "rescheduling cannabis" suddenly has all these ideas about how "balancing the budget" isn't "balancing the budget."

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 10 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Leftist critique (not attempting to shit on Mamdani, just food for thought):

"Balancing the budget" on public finances is right wing propaganda. The public sector literally creates an indefinitely big amount of dollars, and fighting for "balancing the budget" implies restricting expenditure arbitrarily. This expenditure could fund welfare policy, improved social services, public housing, infrastructure...

The public sector isn't (or rather shouldn't be in practice) restricted by funding constraints, and any attempt to say otherwise is neoliberal propaganda designed to justify budget cuts to welfare.

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (9 children)

The public sector should be constrainted by funding and that funding should be remediated via taxes.

Money isn't supposed to be infinate. The system as is requires uncapped spending.

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