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This is so funny because rust has one of the worst cheating situations and majority of their players are windows users, and theres lots of games that have anticheat that allows linux and have notably less significant cheating problems like marvel rivals. in reality rust doesn't take cheating very seriously because if they did they would have more server side software that detects illegitimate behaviour like tons of other games do successfully...... even most popular Minecraft servers have better functioning anti cheat that is completely server side than rust has while getting kernel access to your pc. its pathetic and lazy development tbh and this entire post from them reads like such extreme cope....

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Not sure what to believe here due to I haven’t gamed in years. What’s everyone take on this? Educate me.

[–] TheMightyCat@ani.social 240 points 1 week ago (12 children)

It's almost like client side anti cheat doesn't work and if proper server side anti cheat is made it wouldn't matter what platform the client is on.

[–] urandom@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don’t pay multiplayer. That said, what if there is no anticheat? Would that level the playing field? Let everyone aimbot if they want to.

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[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You use both server and client side anti cheat.

Using only one will not work the way it should.

That, or cloud gaming needs to replace it.

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[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 184 points 1 week ago (20 children)

"never trust the client" is pretty much a motto of infosec, idk what the hell game devs expect

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

See, the wild thing is that I used to run with some actual hackers in GMod... and... I learned from the exploits that they did, how you actually design at least a game mode script that can't be fucked, can't be poked proded or queried directly.

Of course, if the actual exploit is lower level than what I'm writing at, well then I'm still fucked...

I can remember at least one GMod originated, lower level exploit, caused by Garry leaving some direct, unsanitized interface to Steam itself directly exposed via lua... which caused Steam/Valve themselves to step in and rewrite a part of all of Steam, because Garry is s fucking moron, and more or less allowed a virus/malware to propogate through Steam itself, independent of Garry's Mod...

Never did figure out if any of the goobers I knew had any direct ties to that or not.

But anyway, fucking yes, literally never trust the client with anything beyond their own GUI, and barely trust them with that, don't just let them click on anything in their screen space to see if its an item they can put in their inventory, do an actual server side vector ray trace, from the item to the playet, make sure the thing they clicked on is actually near them, put that all into a buffer that locks up if they're calling it at inhuman rates...

It was so easy to item dupe and stat boost and even hijack other players accounts in so many gamemodes I saw.

Fucking one of them had the user set and enter a login password to 'access' their various characters, pick one to spawn as.

Problem?

... That gamemode was actually doing the id check via SteamID, duh.

The username/password thing was a fucking phishing scam, that game mode had a forum, everyone used the same user names, a bunch of people got their hotmails or whatever fucked, by the dev of that gamemode.

... Anyway... yeah, I learned all this infosec type shit first hand, in an earlier 'FacePunch Studios' production.

Fuck Garry, fuck FacePunch, these people are idiot clowns.

Roblox exists now, the GMod roleplay communities independently invented their own ways of monetizing their gamemodes via syncing to their sites and forums with payoal widgets, ya'll missed the boat on that one, no one is going to play S&ndbox in anything close to GMod in its heyday numbers.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Garry leaving some direct, unsanitized interface to Steam itself directly exposed via lua... which caused Steam/Valve themselves to step in and rewrite a part of all of Steam, because Garry is s fucking moron, and more or less allowed a virus/malware to propogate through Steam itself, independent of Garry's Mod...

That sounds entirely on Steam. The game is the client in this context, and Steam as the server shouldn't be trusting anything from the client.

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[–] andyburke@fedia.io 200 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Get your anticheat code off my fucking cpu and onto your servers where it belongs.

Garbage games do this, simple as.

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[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 97 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So many games that work flawlessly on Linux, so I just skip those that don't:]

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

How many of them competitive multiplayer?

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[–] arthur@lemmy.zip 79 points 1 week ago

Server side anti-cheat should be the focus of every game company with an MMO game in their catalog. Relying on kernel access is madness.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 75 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would bet that the claim of more than half of Linux players cheating is false positives due to shitty anti cheat. Like the anti cheat relying on some windows process or trying to initiate some process and linux is structured differently so it fails.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 72 points 1 week ago (4 children)

If Valve's expanding hardware lineup helps increase SteamOS adoption, they'll change their tune.

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 62 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

Minecraft is actually a good example.

Server owners pay very little to nothing for anticheat, and cheaters have dozens of extremely elaborate clients to choose from, all interfacing with the very open and moddable game. And still, servers that do give a fuck have basically zero rage cheating. ESP? Sure, but that can be solved as well. But beyond that, everything can and is detected. And that in a game as sandboxy and freedomy as MC. It was designed to have a lot of slack in movement and actions, yet ACs are extremely good.

[–] mudkip@lemdro.id -1 points 6 days ago

Copius maximus

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[–] rbos@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So Linux users were 0.01% - one in 10,000 players - and also the main cheating problem?

Some odd math there.

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[–] yoevli@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (8 children)

That .01% number is out of line with the overall share of Steam users in 2018 by literally an order of magnitude. I can understand some deviation within a particular game, but that figure is so far off that I kind of suspect he just made it up on the spot.

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