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Shame on you, Homebrew, for effectively killing FOSS apps from casks.

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[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Homebrew could provide their own casks of FOSS applications, compiled on their infrastructure and signed by their key. It's kinda what F-Droid does on phones.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Code signing should be done though.

You can disagree with Apple's approach that maintains them as the only signing authority, but, at a fundamental level, code signing is the only way to distribute an executable and have the user be able to trust who authored it (and thus what's in it).

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago

removing macOS Gatekeeper bypass behaviours

dafuq? That's basically the entire point

So yeah, there will be a fork soon that's just compatible with the casks. Luckily that is very easily to do / manage

[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Their explanation as to why:

--no-quarantine is used to forcibly bypass Gatekeeper, which is a built-in macOS security mechanism. This is used to run unsigned/unnotarized applications.

macOS Tahoe is the final release to support Intel systems, and last year Apple updated macOS runtime protection to make it harder to override Gatekeeper. Macs with Apple silicon also don't "permit native arm64 code to execute unless a valid signature is attached". Finally, we are ending support for all casks that fail Gatekeeper checks on September 1st, 2026.

With the above in mind, it's time to deprecate the --no-quarantine flag from brew. It intentionally bypasses macOS security mechanisms, which we already actively discourage. Deprecating now will give a decent lead time for users using it to come up with another solution or adjust their workflows.

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Deprecating now will give a decent lead time for users using it to come up with another solution or adjust their workflows.

The adjusted solution/workflow: use something other than homebrew

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How will these other solutions bypass Apples quarantine?

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

By doing what homebrew currently does when you pass the --no-quarantine flag, which is call xattr.

Note that I'd probably support removing --no-quarantine if Apple's notarization service was free.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Notarisation, free (as in beer) limits your ability to run your code that (Corporate) doesn’t like, making it inherently non free (as in freedom).

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes, but you can still compile the code yourself. It's only problematic for binary distribution. This is basically a question of balancing security vs. freedom I suppose.

[–] monogram@feddit.nl 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Talking about balance when google is using the same tricks to crush f-droid is not reading the room.

[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 days ago

Difference is compiling an app from source for Android is not really feasible on Android devices, whereas doing so on macOS is literally built into the package managers for macOS and is generally pretty trivial beyond it taking more time.

Also, macOS doesn't prevent you from running the apps entirely.

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[–] Chaser@lemmy.zip 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

May be a sign to install Linux 😏 brew sucks anyways

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

True but I desperately need ~~no compatibility~~, ~~closed source~~, ~~AppleCare~~, ~~expensive hardware~~, ~~limited lifespan~~, ~~lock in~~ .... What did you call it Linux?

[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

It's crazy how bad software compatibility on macos is. I used to assume it was about the same or slightly better than linux in that regard, but my attempts to help my friend play games on macos have almost entirely failed despite the fact that I have tons of experience playing games on linux since it's always been my main os

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 22 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I'm stuck with it at work. Plus Linux usually sucks on Mac for a long time while drivers get written

[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

MacPorts has always been better.

[–] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago
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[–] ianonavy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If Brew sucks, why is it the preferred package manager for CLI tools in Bazzite?

[–] Chaser@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't use Bazzite. But if you have any pro arguments for Brew, feel free to share them. Change my mind.

[–] ianonavy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I don’t really have an opinion, just an observation that switching back to Linux for me did not take me away from Homebrew

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Heh, there goes Librewolf's only sane updating mechanism. IIRC, the devs of that are vehemently against paying Apple the money to sign the code, and they also fail to provide their own updater. It was one of the main drivers behind my switch to Waterfox.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

bad librewolf, shame on them for not paying the tax

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Snark all you want, a browser that breaks every time it updates because the code isn't signed, not great.

[–] brax@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But I thought Mac was just Linux for people who loved to spend money... Seems on brand to me.

[–] noahimesaka1873@lemmy.funami.tech 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's why I buy Macs! /hj (Though I do install and use Arch BTW on my M2 MacBook Air)

[–] dan69@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago

Why would someone using another OS say that they use arch?

[–] MissingInteger@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago

The unsigned (FOSS) Apps aren't removed yet. They will be removed by 2026-09-01. Removing --no-quarantine before that seems counter productive. And quite frankly removing unsigned Apps at all seems like a stupid idea. Homebrew is a third party package mamager, why are they precapitulating to Apple?
Third party taps (or are they fourth party?) will step in. You can run xattr -d com.apple.quarantine in the .rb file.

Relevant links.

[–] CocaineShrimp@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] noahimesaka1873@lemmy.funami.tech 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes and no. Yes, it has to be signed, but no, it doesn't have to be Apple's signing, it can be ad-hoc signed for the device programmatically. What they're doing is that removing that ability to remove quarantine bits and ad-hoc signing ~~on installation~~ and forcing everything to be Apple-signed.

EDIT: Ad-hoc signing is compile-time. Quarantine bit just has to be removed at install-time.

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[–] piyuv@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/issues/20755#issuecomment-3330984446

In the end, the whole point of Gatekeeper is to protect end users as much as reasonable, and continuing to make it easy to bypass isn't a good thing in my view.

Whole point of Gatekeeper is Apple policing users’ devices. The security benefit is just a side effect. If anything, users need to be protected from Apple more than small time hackers.

This is a shame. Big tech brain is affecting developers everywhere.

Controversial opinion: best way to learn fire will burn you is to try and see. I personally learned a lot about computers by infecting my machine with a shitton of malware when I was a kid. Modern parents are very adamant on letting kids run free and learn stuff by themselves, why not apply the same logic to computers?

[–] henfredemars@lemdro.id 10 points 1 week ago

What a shame. It’s probably my favorite tool on the platform.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I never understood what a "cask" in the brew lanuage means. I just do installs and if the brew install instructions involves a cask I just do it. How do I figure out which packages this will have an effect on on my system?

[–] SuperUserDO@piefed.ca 9 points 1 week ago

Casks are as a rule GUI applications. So if you want to install Firefox with homebrew would need to install it via a cask.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
brew list --cask

I think they've started flagging unnotarized apps as (deprecated), so maybe do a brew info on each.

[–] MissingInteger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You can simply run brew doctor and it will show you all deprecated casks.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Cool beans 👏

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] KoalaUnknown@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Apps have to be signed to be installed.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

You can still install and run them but you need to manually him through the startup hoops once

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

if you use a Mac git gud.

[–] natecox@programming.dev 8 points 1 week ago

Well, I’m pretty happy that I’ve moved most of my app downloads to a nix config I guess.

Seems like a bigger change than deserves to be buried in the changelog. I wonder what the intent here is.

[–] cv_octavio@piefed.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Fuck homebrew mise cru for life now.

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