An exercise to help build the right mental model for Python data. The “Solution” link uses memory_graph to visualize execution and reveals what’s actually happening:

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[–] KindaABigDyl@programming.dev 3 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

Another reason why raw pointers are superior to object nonsense

Isn't "explicit is better than implicit" part of the Zen of Python?

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Eh? You might suggest it's another reason why persistent (aka immutable) data-structures have merit; but this is raw pointers.

[–] logging_strict@programming.dev -1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Not everyone is a C or a Rust coder. In C, sending in a pointer, know it's pass by reference, not pass by value.

In Python, depends if it's immutable or mutable. Python coders eventually become hyper aware of the difference.

Python coders that want direct access to C libraries can use Cython CPython or ctypes. Probably missing a few options. Maybe others can chime in. This comes at the expense of much more complicated packaging.

Any package author that has underlying C code in their package automagically gains rock star status.

[–] logging_strict@programming.dev 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

For those with:

ancient browsers that won't run that memory graph web debugger
the attention span of a pigeon and can't be bothered to read a long explanation that doesn't address this particular pycon


>>> import copy
>>>
>>> a = [[0]]
>>> c1 = a
>>> c2 = a[:]
>>> c3 = list(a)
>>> c4 = a.copy()
>>> c5 = copy.copy(a)
>>> c6 = copy.deepcopy(a)
>>> 
>>> c1[0].append(1)
>>> c2[0].append(2)
>>> c3[0].append(3)
>>> c4[0].append(4)
>>> c5[0].append(5)
>>> c6[0].append(6)
>>> 
>>> print(a)
[[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]]

copy.deepcopy makes a separate memory copy into c6. So appending to c6 affects c6, but not a

[–] logging_strict@programming.dev 2 points 4 weeks ago

This is what i get when click Play button

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/_commands/install.py", line 142, in install
    await transaction.gather_requirements(requirements)
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/transaction.py", line 55, in gather_requirements
    await asyncio.gather(*requirement_promises)
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/transaction.py", line 62, in add_requirement
    return await self.add_requirement_inner(Requirement(req))
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/transaction.py", line 151, in add_requirement_inner
    await self._add_requirement_from_package_index(req)
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/transaction.py", line 186, in _add_requirement_from_package_index
    metadata = await package_index.query_package(
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/package_index.py", line 286, in query_package
    raise ValueError(
ValueError: Can't fetch metadata for 'memory-graph'. Please make sure you have entered a correct package name and correctly specified index_urls (if you changed them).
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/_commands/install.py", line 142, in install
    await transaction.gather_requirements(requirements)
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/transaction.py", line 55, in gather_requirements
    await asyncio.gather(*requirement_promises)
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/transaction.py", line 62, in add_requirement
    return await self.add_requirement_inner(Requirement(req))
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/transaction.py", line 151, in add_requirement_inner
    await self._add_requirement_from_package_index(req)
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/transaction.py", line 186, in _add_requirement_from_package_index
    metadata = await package_index.query_package(
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/lib/python3.12/site-packages/micropip/package_index.py", line 286, in query_package
    raise ValueError(
ValueError: Can't fetch metadata for 'memory-graph'. Please make sure you have entered a correct package name and correctly specified index_urls (if you changed them).

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