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National Science Foundation (NSF) had offered $1.5 million to address structural vulnerabilities in Python and the Python Package Index (PyPI), but the Foundation quickly became dispirited with the terms of the grant it would have to follow.

"These terms included affirming the statement that we 'do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws,'" Crary noted. "This restriction would apply not only to the security work directly funded by the grant, but to any and all activity of the PSF as a whole."

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[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 335 points 3 weeks ago

Hey look someone with integrity, morals, principles and balls. Sadly all four of those seem to be highly endangered traits.

[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 291 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

One of our geology grants got hit for mentioning mineral inclusion. Total clown show.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 153 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] portifornia@lemmy.world 60 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, since rocks went all woke and stuff, they have really been rolling down hill...

[–] Ersatz86@lemmy.world 60 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] portifornia@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Their metamorphosis has been a heavy topic to follow.

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[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 49 points 3 weeks ago

One of my recent software projects has an "ignore" list feature, but I guess I have to update the terminology to "include/exclude" if that means chuds will stay away.

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 235 points 3 weeks ago

I’m deeply proud of Python for standing by its community and making the right decision.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 152 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

How is it legal to basically say "We'll give you some money if you promise to keep the blacks out of your organisation"

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

You frame it as "don't discriminate based on skin color, as in don't hire a black person because they're black" while not saying any more of the quiet part out loud.

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[–] AtariDump@lemmy.world 115 points 3 weeks ago
[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 114 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To make matters worse, the terms included a provision that if the PSF was found to have voilated that anti-DEI diktat, the NSF reserved the right to claw back any previously disbursed funds, Crary explained.

Likely why it was not accepted

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 94 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, even if they weren't willing to take a principled stance, that's really dangerous. Especially with how temperamental these fascists are.

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 111 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

NSF: "We'll give you money as long as you don't hire minorities".

Python: "Get fucked."

Chad shit

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 57 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Besides the anti-woke bullshit, it's just a bad idea to accept. It is absolutely not normal for a grant to have stipulations that if you violate some vaguely defined criteria somewhere in your organization, it can be clawed back at a later time. That's a huge liability for an organization to take on that they may suddenly owe a million dollars some time in the future.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean basically yeah, "DEI" and "Woke" are right wing buzzwords that basically can mean whatever, and the Trump admin et al know this. They could say "letting x people use this is woke" or "hiring y people is DEI". The Anti-DEI movement is just an excuse for actual discrimination because now we have people being fired not because they are unfit for their job, but because they're from a minority who was deemed more qualified than someone who was White, Male and Cishet.

I mean Hegseth fired the Chief of Naval Operations because she was a woman. Straight up.

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[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 96 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

There's an often repeated theme in philosophy that any gift that comes with conditions is actually just business.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I would use the term extortion, but yup.

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"getting bought" is more fitting imo.

And a nice little view behind the curtains how the fascists operate.

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[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 88 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Fucking hell, good for the PSF for maintaining their values. I'll make a donation when I get paid. I'm sure they would appreciate it if any one else can spare a dollar or two.

https://psfmember.org/civicrm/contribute/transact/?reset=1&id=2

Edit: Added donation link

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[–] Flames5123@sh.itjust.works 76 points 3 weeks ago

The Seattle zoo also rejected federal funding with these strings. My wife lost her job because of it. Because it was just for one program and the no-DEI was organization wide…

Apparently the Portland Zoo signed it… No one expected that shit. We both let her parents know that this is because of their vote in another state.

[–] daslfc@lemmy.world 70 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In 2 days the White House will order every companie to stop using python because of woke or something

[–] ebolapie@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Imagining all the llm dorks suddenly trying to learn typescript over the weekend

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[–] Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 67 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck yes, Python.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 65 points 3 weeks ago

Congratulations for having a real spine and showing the world that money isn't everything

Thank you python team

[–] NinjaTurtle@feddit.online 65 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (12 children)

"... do not ,and will not ... operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology..."

Aren't these contradictory? 🤔

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 52 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

They're really pulling the childish 'We're just going to make up a fake acronym using DEI' card in an official government communication?

This is a clown show

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[–] recked_wralph@lemmy.world 58 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I bet if they solicit crowd funding to replace this grant they’d easily surpass its dollar value.

~~Is there an existing way to donate to the Python Foundation?~~

Never mind, answered my own question: https://www.python.org/psf/donations/

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago

Good for them. It is good to see people do something right for once.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

After growing up watching things like Bill Nye, seeing names like the NSF saying shit like this is like an actual fucking nightmare reality. It's just so incredibly wrong.

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[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago

Go team snake 🐍

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Jesus the current US administration are cartoonishly evil. History is not going to be kind to the United States. In 30 Years there is going to be a museum with a little plaque on the wall and it'll say "did you know the United States used to be a relevant world power?".

[–] libertyoftheforest@lemmy.wtf 31 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

That's right. Fuck anti-DEI. DEI is the future and good.

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[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 27 points 3 weeks ago

Good for them, standing on principle 😁

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 27 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Especially in light of how incompetent this administration is, and how bad it is at clearly communicating ideas, they made the only sensible choice. Maybe there's more details in the grant terms itself, but from the article it looks like it just says "don't advance or promote DEI", and without explicitly defining what they mean by that they are setting up a trap.

PyPI is smart not to take the money.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump's bullshit already violated those laws though. Repeatedly.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

It’s a purchase of No DEI, not a donation.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 weeks ago

I should use python more. I like when people have principles.

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