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Thomas Riker is the result of someone basically sending down a second transporter beam, overlapped over the first one.. Which resulted in Riker basically being put into two matter buffers.. which resulted in essentially a clone when one of the transporters reflected off the atmospheric conditions back to the ground.
proper use of a transporter doesnt cause issues.. that was not a proper use of a transporter iirc.
Why can't we accept that the transporter "moves" matter, but warp travel does. I always saw it as similar things at the end of the day.
I get you. I want it to be that too.
But there's a difference. Don't read on if you prefer your version of reality (it's all just made up anyways... to a large extend, at least).
Transporters don't technically "move" matter in the traditional sense. They dematerialize a person or object into an energy pattern, transmit that pattern to a destination, and then rematerialize it using stored molecular data.
Philosophically, this raises questions about continuity of consciousness. Some argue it's more like copying and deleting than moving.
The Warp Drive on the other hand manipulates spacetime. It creates a subspace bubble around the ship, allowing it to travel faster than light by distorting the space ahead and behind it. This means that matter isn't converted or transmitted. It stays intact and is carried through warped space.
So yes, both are “movement” technologies. One is teleportation via disassembly, and the other is locomotion via spacetime manipulation. But they are inherently different.
I will geek out for the rest of my day after this.
My favourite take on this (and my introduction to the transporter problem)
I remember Noam Chomsky mentioning this when talking to his kids or grandkids when talking about psychic continuity. I believe the question was surrounding what would happen if you weren’t “teleported”, but instead you remained on the ship as well as the remote location.
Let's say you're given two ways to travel faster than light:
Star Trek Teleporter/Matter Reassembler
And
Shuttle through the Wormhole to the Gamma Quadrant
Which would you prefer and why?
the wormhole seems safer, since its the prophets artificial wormhole and its stable, made more stable later in the series, not so for other wormholes, they seem to have the same dangers as random transporter malfunctions . The transporter seems fickle , numerous incidents where it had cloned, killed, merged 2 people into one, depending on the plot of the episode, or it cant transport fast enough when someone is shooting a disruptor weapon at you, ends up killing the person, or the transporter picks up some wierd pathogen/lifeforms. plus the wormhole doesnt require energy to use, so no problems activating it.
honorable mentions, is other than the ICONIAN gateways which is probably the best ftl type of instananeous rift travel, subspace catapults, or even the caretakers intergalatic ftl dimensional rift generator/teleporter, other forms of transporters/rift/interdimensional teleporters are pretty complicated and somewhat dangerous.
If the transporter is going to kill me and recreate me at the destination, then I'm going wormhole.
What exactly defines you as "you"?
Why do you say it's a suicide if you never saw or felt anything, and you manage to say around somewhere afterwards?
if we had those machines, people would just stop having this discussion.
Why do you say it’s a suicide if you never saw or felt anything, and you manage to say around somewhere afterwards?
Because you are killed, and society gets to keep running with a photocopy of you. From an external perspective, you move from a to b. From your perspective, you die.
For book explorations on this theme see :
and
Though the latter doesn't focus on it as much as the former.
The idea of a Beamer is flawed. You cannot just disassemble and reassemble a living being. You just cannot place atoms and fields this exactly. In particular not that quickly. Trying to think of it in terms of the real world is senseless.
Trying to think of it in terms of the real world is senseless.
It’s can also be fun 😎