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[–] P00P_L0LE@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Redditors try not to froth and post anticommunism for 120 seconds challenge (impossible!!!)

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Meanwhile in the real world

[–] PASAQUALIA@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

It's funny because if you look at living standards in eastern Europe during communism's peak they were wayyy better than they are now

[–] ennuinerdog@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

How dare teenagers not become Neoliberals while growing up in a late capitalist hellscape where climate change can't be taken seriously because it isn't a profitable problem to solve.

[–] samokosik@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

As a someone whose country belonged to the western bloc, I can relate xD

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

More like: People on the internet being critical of the current system, Americans on the internet saying "COMMUNISM BAD" as if USSR style state capitalism is the only other possible option.

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[–] tim1996@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wish we could look at what the ussr did right and how it worked around its restrictions without rose tinted glasses. Some central planning of efficient railways and large industrial machinery might not be a bad idea. Lezz a fair doesn't always produce great results. Walkable neighborhoods and commie blocks aren't such a bad idea but fascist dictators are.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Say what you will about the USSR, but it took a bunch of peasant farmers under exploitative monarchy and literally rocketed them into a global superpower in, what, 2 generations? While weathering the immediate tangible effects of two world wars, and staying competitive against the capitalistic world power that remained virtually untouched in both wars and casually claimed industrial supremacy by virtue of that fact.

How great can capitalism be if the capitalists had a multi-century head start, better natural resources, advantageous geography, a bigger population, and it was still close?

[–] CthulhuOnIce@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

comment section frustratingly filled with McCarthy-brained liberals who have never critically examined their preconceptions about communism

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess I just really don't understand the draw. Communism is a nice thought, until actual people are involved. People are corruptible, which is why communism is seen as utopian. It's an ideal that only works under perfect circumstances.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess I just really don’t understand the draw. ~~Communism~~Capitalism is a nice thought, until actual people are involved. People are corruptible, which is why ~~communism~~capitalism is seen as utopian. It’s an ideal that only works under perfect circumstances.

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yes, I don't disagree, except far more people benefit from our form of capitalism, and you don't see the death numbers you do from the absolute rule that communism demands.

This isn't to say there isn't any death due to capitalism. Or any strife, just certainly not on the same scale. I would say out biggest death toll comes at the hands of our military-industrial-complex being capitolistic.

The problem is, there's nothing better yet.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago

Add up chattel slavery, Trail of Tears, proxy wars, not-so-proxy wars, the general condition of the M-I-C you've mentioned, the general plight of the Global South, etc etc etc, and get back to me. I'm not sure the advantage is so definitive as you assert. "Externalities", the economists call them.

[–] Lenins2ndCat@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Educated people in general have to say on politics the same things that I said earlier, but they are very nostalgic over less criminalized popular culture, better technical education and rules being followed. So am I to some extent actually.

In Moscow? You're not being fair. Educated people in the soviet union from Moscow lived extremely well and have very positive views. Engineers, scientists, etc will all say positive things. You know as well as I do that hundreds of video interviews will confirm this. Be fairer, claiming that everyone that supports the ussr among the over 60s is just uneducated is definitely untrue. This particular video series is in Moscow and this lady is exactly what I am talking about.

You can't live in Moscow and say this is untrue. You're being unfair.

No recollection at all, I’m 1996, but since transition from USSR to modern Russia didn’t happen in an instance, in various institutions and organizations you can still see in some ways how it was. More in my childhood than now, but still.

Brought up in shock therapy then.

if you weren’t in denial.

I'm not in denial. I'm asking you to be fairer. The data does not support your position. You know as well as I do that 75% of the country consider the soviet era to be when the country was at its greatest (and that this is easily verifiable from many sources), and you know damn well that 75% of the country aren't all uneducated people. You are not being fair.

[–] hare_ware@pawb.social -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Didn't the USSR just do state capitalism, and not actual communism or socialism? And weren't they also totalitarian & also not a democracy? Are people actually asking for what was happening in astern Europe or something else?

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