This is what Russian propaganda looks like
this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2024
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"It's absolutely true that when you look at an individual campaign, it's just as likely as not that it hasn't had a huge amount of influence, which is why Russia just does it again and again, or in a different form, or targeting a different group," the Digital Forensic Research Lab's Carvin said. "It's almost like producing cheaply manufactured goods and just getting it out there in the world, hoping that maybe one particular gadget ends up becoming the popular toy of the season, even if the others completely fail."
Many researchers who study disinformation warn against seeing the hand of Russia as an all-powerful puppeteer, especially since so much of what its mouthpieces amplify is homegrown.
I think we're severely underestimating the damage and impact of Russian influence, just as we've spent decades underestimating the damage and impact of Fox News propaganda.
Amplifying something "home grown" rather than creating a narrative whole-cloth doesn't make it any less impactful. On a scale of 1-100, turning a fringe party from a volume level of 0.1 to 10 makes it seem like it is still low impact, but in fact it's 100 times as impactful. It's the difference between a fringe idea remaining fringe and it being accepted as a variation on "normal."
That's why thirty years ago, white supremacy was a fringe group that would be toxic to anyone even touched by it. Now, thanks to normalization by Trump and Fox News - and yes, Russia - there are open white supremacists (though they only occasionally say the quiet part loud) in Congress.
Russia is normalizing fringe right-wing, populist and totalitarian policies. I think they are not only having an impact, they are winning in recent elections. Yes, proving it is difficult, and that's why no news source is ready to claim Russia caused it. But they are injecting poison into the veins of the world. You might say it's "trace" amounts, but given a long enough timescale, it is going to be fatal.
I think we’re severely underestimating the damage and impact of Russian influence, just as we’ve spent decades underestimating the damage and impact of Fox News propaganda.
And just as we'll underestimate the damage of the same garbage coming out of China.
It really is concerning that there's so little understanding and reporting about the influence campaigns and interference by the Chinese government, particular when that's much more often what users are running across these days online.
Russia really kicked the game off leading up to 2016, but China is the one running with the ball right now, and I'd say they're being much more effective with how they create and steer narratives not just in the US but across Europe and South America.
China has silently managed to gain outsized influence within corporations like Google and other social media, not just in how the services finction within their own borders but you witness how thin the divide between Google's "chinese" version and the rest of the world really is with the way they moderate political speech on their platforms. It wasn't so long ago that they "accidentally" somehow banned a bunch of chinese keywords on western versions of the platform. And even now you will get shadowbans and comment removal for criticism of the CCP on YT, though it's unclear exactly what keywords and criteria they're using. Worst part is that it's entire opaque.
It's really weird how differently the media approaches Russian and CCP influence campaigns even though at this point, as Russia declines and democracies are wiser to their tricks, none of those lessons or research are being applied towards countering and educating the public as to Chinese influence to undermine democractic institutions.