Idk if this is a hot take, but imo the war in Ukraine is pretty clear city while the Palestinian and Israeli conflict his an infinite list of wrinkles and nuances.

It's far less controversial to say the former is Russia's fault than it is to say the latter is either Palestine's or Israel's fault.

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Palestinian conflict is very simple: an army vs civilians. Only gonna end when all the latter are dead.

Should we ever try to sanction that army? Never! Should we try sanctioning US for killing million iraqis who had not a WMD? No! Should we sanction Nato for bombing the wealthiest african estate libya to it's ruin? Ah wait, WE are Nato. Can't shoot own ankle.

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[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social -3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

ho boy, here we go again.

At this point in time that conflict has been going on for so long, I have no clue anymore who started it. So all I can do is judge both sides by their current actions without historical justification which, to me, results in fanatical religious fascists fighting fanatical religious fascists with neither side caring for civilian casualties. Not exactly a situation in which I'd support any side tbh.

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[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

IMO everyone should leave everyone else the fuck alone and stop trying to be modern empires, but come on man, these are VERY different situations.

[–] TheBeege@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

(Edit: what I'm about to say is a good bit wrong, but I'm not going to try and hide my mistakes. This article has a more complete history: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/why-israel-and-palestine-conflict-war-history-b2426050.html)

I don't support the violence at all, but this isn't a (direct) result of imperialism.

After WW2, the Allies were like, "what do we do with all these Jews? We don't want them in our countries." Then they thought, "why not Jerusalem?" But a bunch of Arabs were living there, but the Allies really didn't want more Jews, so they just dumped them all in modern Israel, told the Arabs this is Jews' land now, and recognized Israel as a state. Palestine has a right to be pissed. So this isn't so much an imperialism problem as much as a racism problem.

But still, Hamas are evil fuckers that take shit too far. Israel definitely is not the good guy and is not helping the situation at all, but this kind of escalation just makes shit worse for everyone.

[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

"why not Jerusalem?"

That wasn't the allies, zionism predates the holocaust by decades, it's the literal promised land from their stupid fucking religion.

[–] surge_1@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Dumb meme, the 2 situations are not similar.

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