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[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 100 points 3 weeks ago (52 children)

Nobody thinks this. Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Iranians are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the US means, they had two of their neighbors go through it. They know it's hell, but the thing is that the regime right now is so cartoonishly evil that if a war loosens their grip on power and opens up a real possibility for a new government, then it might just be worth it.

I'm Iraqi. My family lived through the terror of Saddam Hussein. The US invasion was hell. It destabilized the country and a lot of people died. Nobody recalls that time as a good one. Yet, at the same time, you'll be hard pressed to any Iraqi that wishes the US didn't depose of that evil regime.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (22 children)

Edit: as short as 4 months ago, the user above was referring to the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as "the Israel-Palestine conflict". They have posts complaining about leftism on Lemmy, praising the Cybertrucks and Teslas, and edgelording AI. Also, their posting and commenting hours suggest timezones in the continent of America, contrary to their claim of being Iraqi.

The main problem in Iran and the reason why protests broke out last months is simply US + EU sanctions. The Iranian currency imploded over the past months and drove many people to desperation, the current exchange rate is like 1.5mn to 1USD, and this is unequivocally the fault of the US + EU. However bad their regime, US+EU sanctions murder HALF A MILLION PEOPLE YEARLY in the world, the death burden of these sanctions is astronomically higher than anything you can ascribe to the Iranian government. The literal, EXPLICIT POLICY of sanctions is, and I quote official US documents: "to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government".

Iran could have been a secular socialist democracy as Iranians democratically decided in the previous century under the government of Mosaddeq, but UK+USA conspired to bring the government down and brought back monarchy. The Iranian government is literally the fault of the Anglos. Stop doing atrocity propaganda for the US empire on the fucking verge of an invasion. And there are plenty of Iraqi who wholeheartedly condemn the invasion of Iraq even if it brought down the government of Saddam, because what followed was orders of magnitude worse. An example is Hakim on YouTube.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

There's also the water issue, and that definitely wasn't because of sanctions; and even if the reason for riots might be due to external factors, it does matter to a population how the leadership responds to it, and the response has been horrible.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Because water problems are famously well managed by which government? I'm a Spaniard, and I can tell you that our glorious European democracy™ has golf fields in Castilla La Mancha, and farmers in the vicinity of the Doñana natural park are draining the groundwaters to the point of destruction of the ecosystem.

Are people in Spain rioting due to the mismanagement of water? No. Would people riot if our currency suffered an enormous devaluation and suddenly we couldn't import basic products? Absolutely.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah because issues are always absolute and there is no nuance.

Yes, water is mismanaged in Europe as well and it will bite us, but we're not currently at Iranian levels where they considered moving the capital because the potable water situation was so bad.

The proposal made little sense all things considered, but this is the level of competence the Iranian leadership showed in that situation.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

but we're not currently at Iranian levels

Have you considered that might have to do with Iranian geography? Like, surely you understand that it rains more in Paris than In Tehran?

Also, if water management is your metric for government success, do you give your allegiance to the Communist Party of China for it's anti-desertification campaign in the Gobi desert?

[–] Laser@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Have you considered that might have to do with Iranian geography? Like, surely you understand that it rains more in Paris than In Tehran?

The problem wasn't only lack of rain, but also a lot of mismanagement that led people without water to riot.

Also, if water management is your metric for government success, do you give your allegiance to the Communist Party of China for it’s anti-desertification campaign in the Gobi desert?

Call me crazy, but I consider "providing your citizens with water" as a core government task; why you bring up the Chinese government with something totally unrelated is beyond me.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

"I consider it a government task. Yes, I'm making atrocity propaganda of the Iranian government during a US military buildup in the region just months after the country was bombed by the US. I am very progressive and totally not running Israeli propaganda by doing this"

How many comments do you have about water mismanagement by the Saudi government?

How many comments do you have supporting the Muamar El-Qaddafi government for carrying out one of the biggest civil infrastructure projects of the history of humanity (taking water from the great Nubian aquifer) to provide clean drinking water to its citizens, and how many times have you criticized the western intervention that murdered Qaddafi and left the infrastructure of the water supply crumbling?

Or maybe you don't give two shits about people having access to water in any Muslim majority country, and you just want to find reasons to criticize a government on the brink of being invaded by the US?

[–] Laser@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You're just building a straw man here, people went to demonstrate because of the water crisis that was also caused by mismanagement (and climate change for that matter); these protests were also answered with violence. My point was that I consider this a core government task, even so much that I don't those that do it because it is the bare minimum.

Up to you to decide if you want to consider the "Great Man-Made River" as a success, it surely did improve water quality, but there's no regeneration of the taken water and most of the water is used for irrigation. It also lead to the effect of ground water level lowering; how it all turns out remains to be seen, and from what I read, experts expect up to 50 years of water supply at the current rate (optimistic ones up to 250), not the 4000 years the Gaddafi government estimated back then.

I just don't like how the posts like the one I answered to imply that this is all the US' doing. They play a really big role in all of this, but the Mullahs are also shitty and some of their domestic issues – which have caused riots because people didn't have access to water – were also caused by their own decisions. It's not only interventionism… both sides can be shitty

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

My entire point is that you're dedicating your online time to create what amounts to propaganda for American invasion of Iran. How many comments have you dedicated to the 300 million participants in past week's strike in India?

You're not commenting about Iran protests because you personally care about Iranians, you're commenting about Iran protests because the US + Israel media apparatus have made this international news and keep protests with hundreds of millions of participants entirely silenced. This is not a coincidence: it's an effort to create bad feelings about the Iranian government through atrocity propaganda to justify the impending invasion, and replicating this propaganda with this timing is essentially running for Israel and the US.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Are people in Spain rioting due to the mismanagement of water? No.

Perhaps they should.

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