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[–] ynthrepic@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (26 children)

I wonder if you just didn't say anything, how many people would notice. They definitely taste different, but not so different everyone would immediately realize if told one way or the other.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 33 points 2 days ago (14 children)

I've actually been making various cola recipes in the meth lab I call a kitchen for the past ~2 years now, ranging from the leaked 1950s Coke recipe, Cube Cola, OpenCola, and a number of other variations, including my own sets.

In these experimentations I've started noticing the actual flavour differences between different colas. The issue is that these flavours are not something you'd recognise as they're incredibly diluted. For example one recipe calls for a total of 15 MILLILITRES of various flavour oils, to make approximately 70-80 LITRES of cola. Yes you read that right, about half Oz of flavourings (sugar not included) to make 37-40 bottles of 64oz cola. In comparison, when I made my orange soda, I had to use approximately 60ml of flavourings to make TWO litres. 2oz of flavourings to make one bottle of 64oz orange soda.

And it's insane how just a slight imbalance can alter the flavour. This recipe I mentioned calls for 0.7ml (about 6 drops) of cassia oil (basically, cinnamon). The cassia oil I sourced was so pure that that amount waaaay overpowered the other flavours and I had to tone it down to 0.25ml, nearly 1/3. Mind you that cinnamon coke wasn't bad, just... incredibly cinnamony. Great for a bourbon mixer, pretty solid for a Long Island, but in itself it was just too strong.

Once I made it right I started experimenting, reducing it by 10-20-30%, and the flavour profile shifted a TON. We're talking barely recognisable. under 0.2ml (so 20% reduction from baseline), the lavender (yes, lavender is part of the cola flavour ensemble!) started coming through real strong. Upping the coriander/cilantro oil from 0.02ml to 0.03ml shifted it into an incredibly spicy range - you could literally top it up with white rum and people would think you used spiced rum! Or reducing the amount of nutmeg to increase the warmth of the drink - with the slightly higher cassia oil ratio, and reduced nutmeg, this ventured into a hot choc drink made of Terry's Choc Orange... Without the creaminess of the chocolate.

I've also experimented with about a dozen different citrus oils - bitter orange, sweet orange, bitter orange leaf, mandarin, tangerine, the list goes on. And they all subtly changed the flavour, like the transition between coke and pepsi. You can't put your finger on it at first, because the main cola flavour - the same you'd get from any cola drink, including the cheap supermarket brand ones - was there, but the subtle background flavours were all so different, and again, they're so dilute, you can't name them proper. Just guess on what makes it different.

[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What's your favorite recipe so far? I want to try it out

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There really isn't a favourite, I'd recommend you experiment yourself until you find the sweet spot for you.

Again, use the Cube Cola recipe as a basis for getting the amounts right, and try the various "leaked Coca Cola" recipes that utilise oils to get the right ratios.

For example, the ratios of the Cube Cola recipe are:

  • 62 unit orange
  • 50 unit lime
  • 16 unit lemon
  • 12 unit nutmeg
  • 7 unit cassia
  • 2 unit coriander
  • 2 unit lavender
  • 2 unit neroli

With unit being 0.01ml.

In contrast the ratios of the Pemberton recipe are:

  • 40 unit orange
  • 60 unit lemon
  • 20 unit cinnamon
  • 20 unit nutmeg
  • 20 unit neroli
  • 10 unit coriander

This will give you almost the same amount of oil (0.154ml vs 0.170ml), but a wildly different flavour result.

Playing with the ratios of the orange-lime-lemon will shift the base cola flavour. I personally found that mixing different orange oils instead of straight up "orange oil" (in my mix I used tangerine, clementine, blood orange, bitter orange, sweet orange, neroli, bergamot) provides a much deeper, richer cola base (think like the difference between a cheap store brand vs Pepsi). This is where you can do most of the experimenting, first try to shift around the internal ratios (e.g. Cube-Cola has it at 130 units total for the citrus oils, so keep it 130 units but feel free to go e.g. 70-46-12 on the orange-lime-lemon, or swap the lemon and lime, etc.), then the orange-to-all ratios can be tuned too (just, again, go in small steps).

Nutmeg, cassia and coriander define how "spicy" the cola tastes. They add a different kind of richness (more of a warmth really), and I can't emphasise just how careful you have to be with these as even just a fraction more can seriously change (mostly ruin) the flavours. Especially cassia. Even in the Cube-Cola recipe I had to reduce it from 0.07ml to 0.025ml for it to not be overpowering - the Pemberton recipe on the other hand emphasises it to the point where it ISN'T overpowering (which is surprising, I know).

Neroli is optional but I found that like my previously mentioned orange base mix, it can add a subtle yet noticeable richness. Just like the spice oils, I recommend caution, move in VERY small increments when you change things.

I'd recommend you use the Cube Cola measures for unit base, as that wastes little to no oil if an experiment turns out bad.

[–] turdcollector69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You're a wonderful human being, thank you for sharing!

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