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[–] turdas@suppo.fi 43 points 1 week ago (13 children)

The video is about a guy called John Forester, who was a road racing cyclist who vocally opposed all cycling infrastructure, arguing for what he called "vehicular cycling" where you ride on the road among cars following the same rules as cars, which, in his view, was safer than separate bicycle paths, which according to him were very unsafe. He was a vocal critic of cycling infrastructure and apparently quite influential in the US.

He wrote a 800-page ~~book~~ manifesto titled Effective Cycling where he argues that any form of cycling except riding racing bicycles at high speed wearing lycra is a complete waste of time, fit only for children. It's also full of more questionable traffic safety advice.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

The faster you ride, the better you blend in with vehicular traffic. The trouble is, not everyone can ride that fast. Now that I'm old, I appreciate dedicated MUPs and bike lanes because they're better suited to my current abilities than they were 30 to 40 or even 20 years ago.

[–] mjr@infosec.pub 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But also, the faster you ride, the more tiring it is, the more stressful it is, and the more severe the consequences when anybody - especially nearby drivers - makes a serious error.

Cycling doesn't have to be that way. No matter what Forester and other ableists say. If you remove most of the motorists, it can be fun! And proper fun, not the 'I jousted with drivers and survived' type.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, 40 years ago it wasn't all that tiring because I was a very fit young bike racer, but I get what you mean.

[–] mjr@infosec.pub 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Maybe, but still more tiring than being able to coast through on a more direct, comfortable and convenient cycleway instead of a motorway limited by sucky truck turning radii and visibility.

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