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[–] lefthandeddude@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

I'm not a Republican. I like Mamdani,I would have voted for him if I were living in NYC. I don't actually think this tweet on Xitter is inherently racist.

Most people believe 9/11 was caused by radical Muslim jihadists hijacking planes and slamming them into buildings. Radical Muslim jihad still exists. It is not like there are zero radical Muslims out there who want to destroy Western society, subjugate women, kill all homosexuals, kill all atheists, and institute Sharia law. That is not actually a made up trope of the greedy right to suppress the lower classes, that is in fact reality. There are still women not allowed to learn math in some some countries.

The fear Gulianai has, which I do not think is irrational to consider, is that by voting for a liberal Muslim, it's going to lead to policies that make it easier for radical jihadists to take root in America, that somehow a liberal Muslim mayor may embolden radical Muslims with extremist views or make it easier for radicals to take root within more insular Muslim communities in NYC, even if it's just a result of a cultural shift in which people do not fear radical jihadists. (This is not my opinion of what will happen!) I do not believe this view is inherently racist or Islamaphobic. I don't think it's wrong to have conversations about this, as long as it's done while realizing that many NYC Muslims are incredibly nice good people who support women's education, LGBT+ rights, and liberal values.

It would also be understandable if someone viewed this xitter post as Islamaphobic and racist and disagreed.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 3 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The fear Gulianai has, which I do not think is irrational to consider, is that by voting for a liberal Muslim, it’s going to lead to policies that make it easier for radical jihadists to take root in America, that somehow a liberal Muslim mayor may embolden radical Muslims with extremist views or make it easier for radicals to take root within more insular Muslim communities in NYC

This is absolutely irrational and islamophobic lol what the actual fuck are you talking about

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When two persons/groups choose to use the same label, it becomes harder for anyone external to differentiate them easily.

Calling the people that confuse the two as "irrational" and bigoted isn't going to clarify anything, and will likely cause them to assume you are not allied with them.

Dismissing people who have concerns that those confusions might be used by bad actors is just gross naivete.

But, certainly, restricting the political power (or human rights) of a particular based on their chosen labels--even if those labels are confusing--when they espouse tolerant views and act in tolerant ways IS bigoted.

The closest analog I can some up with is "Catholic". If you just use that label, I think I am justified in assuming you do not value bodily autonomy (particular of women), and are therefore not a tolerant member of society. I'd certainly welcome a "Catholic" that makes it clear they reject intolerant Catholic dogma, but the existence of tolerant "Catholic"s does make it easier for intolerant Catholics to acquire and use political power. Of course, "Muslim" and "Islam" don't come with quite as formal an organization or consistent a dogma, so it's even more confusing.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bro there are 2 billion Muslims in the world. They span all sorts of different beliefs, value systems and thoughts. To think all Muslims are terrorists or even conservative and to group them all with negative connotations is literally what Islamophobia is. It makes as much sense as me believing all American's are mass shooters.

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