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[–] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I kind of enjoyed this, at least the first half.

On the first half, It was alright. The big thought I had was - if this whole Whoniverse thing doesn't pan out, RTD and Bad Wolf would be great fit for doing a live action reboot of Captain Scarlet. A massive sci-fi weapons battery in the middle of a London disguised as a skyscraper is very spectrum.

  • Using the time hotel's doors was a great plot device to bridge from the last episode. It's one of those times that make you go "well, why didn't they use that big deus ex they had a few episodes ago...". This time they remembered!
  • The bone beasts were alright, but I feel like the explanation didn't really make much sense, and surely they could have found a better name than "bone beasts".
  • The box that exists outside of time is a pretty scary concept, that you could end up stuck for eternity in a non-space, with no escape. I don't know that I would have made the same choice given those circumstances.
  • In the week between episodes I rewatched the old series serial which introduced omega. I didn't really feel like the big bad we saw here was the same one. Omega, to me, seemed kind of stuck and abandoned and redeemable with a bit of work, here it was an eldritch bone beast that could speak.
  • On seeing everything start to come back from the wish world, I had forgotten that rose hung out / worked at Unit, and seeing that she was basically denied out of existence is pretty blunt, but I am glad it was pointed out. The doctor's new skirt dress was fantastic.

The "epilogue", I guess you could call it, was not great. I think I would have enjoyed it most if they had wrapped it up after Ruby notices that poppy has disappeared. It would have been tragic, it would have been emotional, it would have had punch, it would have been a pretty clean ending - just sometimes you don't get the happy one.

  • I really don't like that Gatwa only had 2 seasons, he should have been allowed more.
  • Getting 13 in for a cameo was unexpected, and I quite liked the dig at it usually being 10 that turns up, but I don't really get why she was there. The regen (?) into Rose(?) is weird, but very much RTD's thing. There have been a LOT of cameos and references recently, and I feel like Doctor Who really shines best when it acts as a set of mostly independent sci-fi anthologies with maybe a little bit of overarching story. When it gets too up itself with the self referencing fanservice I am beginning to feel it weakens my enjoyment of it. The middle of this past season had the best episodes for this very reason.

Also, a thought that occurs as I type this - they had a Susan foreman reference not too long ago. She is established as being a descendant. But they're sterile, so can't have kids let alone grandkids? I know this is a timey wimey thing, and I really don't want to encourage yet more cameos and self referencing, but surely this should have at least merited a mention. I really like the idea that you have a race of sterile people somehow trying to fix things, (I recently read The Old Axolotl, which touches on this concept) so why didn't they do anything with it.

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The "epilogue", I guess you could call it, was not great. I think I would have enjoyed it most if they had wrapped it up after Ruby notices that poppy has disappeared. It would have been tragic, it would have been emotional, it would have had punch, it would have been a pretty clean ending - just sometimes you don't get the happy one.

This is exactly what I thought was happening. I didn't really expect her to stop existing, but I thought it would just be one of a thousand things that's like "Well, she's out there somewhere and maybe we'll revisit this plot in 20 years." The Susan Foreman connection was probably the main factor that made me think this, as it would have ambiguously set up a "future" plot point without needing to actually do the work, which is fine in a show like Doctor Who.

The retcon of Belinda's history also bothered me. It kind of gave me those Moffat-era vibes, where women could go on fun, exciting adventures and all of that but eventually they'd settle down in the wife and/or mother role that represents the person they're really supposed to be. Boo. I didn't think RTD2 would echo Moffat like that and I'm as much disappointed that Ncuti Gatwa only had two seasons as that Varada Sethu is gone after just one.

Unsurprisingly, I fell off the show pretty hard in the Moffat era; I've seen most of those episodes by now just catching repeat broadcasts, but I stopped purposely watching the show. I know everybody hates it, but I picked it up again when the Chibnall era started and never felt like I wanted to drop the show in that period. This finale has brought me closest to that feeling and sapped my enthusiasm.

I'm interested enough to know what's going on with Billie Piper that I'll probably watch as many episodes as it takes for that to be explained, but beyond that I'm not sure. I guess the Billie Piper stuff will have to really wow me.

[–] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The retcon of Belinda's history also bothered me. It kind of gave me those Moffat-era vibes, where women could go on fun, exciting adventures and all of that but eventually they'd settle down in the wife and/or mother role that represents the person they're really supposed to be. Boo. I didn't think RTD2 would echo Moffat like that and I'm as much disappointed that Ncuti Gatwa only had two seasons as that Varada Sethu is gone after just one.

This bugged me as well. I was very surprised in the last ep and the beginning of this one to see just how protective and loving Doctor and Belinda were being to poppy. But then by the end, only Belinda is the one that seems to care deeply for the child. The doctor is given a chance to make a farewell, but then he just leaves with (as I understood it) the implication that he is never going to come back and that he's been replaced by a human dad. It just confuses me why any of that needed to happen.

the implication that he is never going to come back and that he’s been replaced by a human dad

I took it more as him knowing he was going to stay away during Poppy's childhood for safety's sake, and that he would have a different face when he returned.

I wanted to add that Thirteen's appearance has really grown on me - I think she's the one incarnation of the Doctor who would be able to drop the sanctimonious "I have to stop you" bullshit so quickly, and help Fifteen instead. The others would have gotten there eventually, but she's the version most equipped to get there so quickly.

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