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[–] madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world 57 points 10 months ago (10 children)

The right time for Chinese tariffs was 1980.

[–] lambda@programming.dev 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Not arguing. But why that year specifically?

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 59 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It's roughly when the US shut down practically all of our manufacturing plants and laid off the vast majority of our manufacturing talent.

We've had some 40 years of mostly not passing down the knowledge of how to manufacture things well.

What manufacturing we still have is pretty amazing, but the demand for cross training - should those jobs return - is going to be way more than the remaining available talent can take on.

Bringing it back in 1980 would have given us a shot to pass on all the skills of the previous generation of skilled tradespeople.

[–] Carl@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ironically enough, a great solution to this problem would be to bring in Chinese experts to train American workers. The USD still spends.

[–] llii@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 10 months ago

All I can do is mass deportation.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I have watched Chinese tool steel and heat treat ability improve massively over my career. The steel went from chineseium to the cheap usable option in a shop.

Tool and alloy steels are a basic measure of a country's industrial ability. That genie isn't going back in the bottle.

The gutting of US manufacturing and unions has been a crime against blue collar folks that most don't understand. Few new machinists stuck through the recession of the aughts. There are few machinists in my age bracket. There is no magic switch to rebuild manufacturing in the USA. It takes years to create competent machinists and we don't have enough competent machinists to do the training. The apprenticeship programs have mostly been eliminated, the guys that taught me had journeyman's papers but those programs were gone by the time I came up.

I've been lucky enough to grow three machinists, green to competent, in my career. Had to fight with management/corporate to do that much. I know of one that has already left the trade.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Michael Keaton will save us right? (Curious which you think I mean)

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'll split my chips between Birdman and Spiderman: Homecoming, but save one chip for Batman.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Gung Ho but I figured people read Batman

[–] madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

I'm approximating, but it's in that general time period when manufacturing was moving to China, and with very little concern for the American worker.

[–] azi@mander.xyz 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ball had started rolling on Reform and Opening Up by about that time

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