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Donald Trump’s declaration at the NATO summit that the U.S. had returned to war with Iran didn’t lead to the usual gasping allies or perplexed officials.

If anything, it cemented Europe’s increasing reliance on itself.

As motorcades sped out of Ankara’s presidential place and down the barricaded streets ringing the Turkish capital on Wednesday, a half-dozen European officials said the ceasefire’s end only stiffened their resolve to be less dependent on the American militarily and stand alone.

“After seeing what’s happening in Iran and Ukraine, we first of all, have to build our own military might, and then everybody will respect us: Americans, Russians, Iranians or Chinese,” said a European official. “The more muscles you have, the less political anger you show.”

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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (35 children)

After seeing what’s happening in Iran and Ukraine, we first of all, have to build our own military might, and then everybody will respect us

I can't.. this is more than braindead. I'm sure all your enemies have so much respect. No one is definitely afraid to attack you/hit you back. I'm from Baltics and I've already accepted the fact that I might have to fight Russians. I don't understand the logic of respecting someone who is coming to attack you. I have vast respect towards Canada tho. They never threaten us, they (we) have always acted friendly. That's respectable. I would not hesitate to help a Canadian. I would not hesitate to kill an invading Russian, no matter how much more powerful they are.

[–] Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 26 points 5 days ago (33 children)

Respect might not be the most suitable word for this. But enemy being afraid to hit you if you have a big enough stick does work. Nuclear weapons have been the best peacekeepers since the invention of those. Being part of NATO is probably the one and only reason why russia attacked Ukraine instead of Baltics.

And when the attack happens, it's good to have a functional military industrial complex at our back supporting us instead of becoming forest brothers again.

[–] LeoDalPozzo@infosec.pub -1 points 5 days ago (30 children)

This is an incredibly dangerous way of thinking. This kind of mentality allowed two world wars to happen. Stop looking at geopolitics like if it was a football game. It's not the politicians dragging us into war, it's common people giving for assumed war is inevitable. You all will be the world's distruction once again. It's really insane how humans have the tendency to repeat history despite having knowledge of it.

[–] Faithless@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I don’t agree, regardless, doing the opposite is what got us in the Ukraine war. Well, that, and Russia being in control of the US government off course

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