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Donald Trump’s declaration at the NATO summit that the U.S. had returned to war with Iran didn’t lead to the usual gasping allies or perplexed officials.

If anything, it cemented Europe’s increasing reliance on itself.

As motorcades sped out of Ankara’s presidential place and down the barricaded streets ringing the Turkish capital on Wednesday, a half-dozen European officials said the ceasefire’s end only stiffened their resolve to be less dependent on the American militarily and stand alone.

“After seeing what’s happening in Iran and Ukraine, we first of all, have to build our own military might, and then everybody will respect us: Americans, Russians, Iranians or Chinese,” said a European official. “The more muscles you have, the less political anger you show.”

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[–] LeoDalPozzo@infosec.pub 0 points 19 hours ago (26 children)

This is an incredibly dangerous way of thinking. This kind of mentality allowed two world wars to happen. Stop looking at geopolitics like if it was a football game. It's not the politicians dragging us into war, it's common people giving for assumed war is inevitable. You all will be the world's distruction once again. It's really insane how humans have the tendency to repeat history despite having knowledge of it.

[–] Foofighter@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 18 hours ago (16 children)

I kind of disagree. Imagine what would happen in WW 2 if the allied forces didn't have the combined strength to fight a war? The appeasement of Germanys demands didn't yield peace nor did it protect jews or other minorities. It takes at least two to start a war, but only one to start an invasion, mass murders, genocide.

While yes, if all militaries where abandoned and no one would be willing to fight, we could have peace. But look at the world today or any other time in history and tell me about a time when there wasn't a single aggressor in the world.

War is inevitable when there is one lunatic in the world which enough followers.

[–] thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 17 hours ago (12 children)

I have to believe there has to be a better way to avoid wars than an arms race.

IIRC correctly both world wars were preceded by a phase where countries invested in armaments after seeing their neighbors doing the same. And at some point you're gonna want to use all those weapons you paid for. It's the proverbial powder keg waiting for a spark.

Instead I'd very much prefer to have a diplomatic solution, where the response to a military buildup is not more military.

We have seen what sanctions are doing to Russia right now, and the full effect of those will be probably felt for years to come regardless of the outcome of that war. Now imagine it was normal to do that not after the war started, but as soon as a country starts to prepare for one. I bet that would make leaders think twice about it.

[–] LeoDalPozzo@infosec.pub 1 points 16 hours ago

Exactly. We know very well that 1st world war started because europe was in full rearming, but some powers felt that war was inevitable and was better to do it sooner than later.

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