No, I'm complaining that the server determines a user and items location.
You don't need centralization for that. If I'm making a post, I should be able to set the location for the item at that point - this information is federated, so then the user's server is irrelevant, only the location the user sets is relevant.
That is what makes this a bad design. It has nothing to do with centralization.
Sites are not physical. Sites are not locked at signup. You are misunderstanding how Craigslist (and others) work.
What this page is saying is "If you post in the Berlin section, and want to offer it in Los Angeles, you need to make a new post".
You don't need a different account, a different server, or to otherwise associate with a different region.
I'd be happy to explain if there is a part here that is confusing, I'm really not sure what you are not understanding on this.
I'm also not putting down the idea of a federated marketplace, I would love it.
I just think its a bad design to rely on a server setting that users have no control over. What happens if that host moves to an entirely different region? They have to keep serving that region? They can change it and all those listings are invalid?
It isnt a good design.
This is like all the popular classified websites work.
You would be better off describing this like newspaper classifieds.
Flohmarket does not, in any way thats relevant, work the way that Craigslist, OfferUp, eBay, etc work. There is no region locking with those services by server location.
There is no server yet
There shouldn't need to be is my point. Its an arbitrary limitation.
Just like Craiglist doesn't have a server for any place outside of the US afaik.
Thats a business decision, purely. They charge for certain types of postings.
Flohmarkt is very new and apparently more popular in Europe otherwise it is the same.
Its really not though - there is no technical reason to lock a user to a region or business reason like with Craigslist. It was a design decision.
One that limits use and adoption.
I'm glad its working out well in Europe! I, as an american, can't use it without standing up a server and then being host to all of the United States (or North America? No idea).
Not "don't want to" but "can't".
I think you are confusing Flohmarkt with an online retailer market like Amazon or Alibaba.
All of my earlier examples are direct comparisons. I'm not confusing it with anything.
I just think it wasn't a well thought out design.
Classified listings have always worked by being location specific
Not based on where the server is set to. Based on where the user or item is.
Flohmarkt is copying that exact tried and true design
I would say they are copying hyper-localized newspaper classifieds, including the hyper-localized aspect, which caused newspaper classifieds to stop being used by the overwhelming majority of people when alternatives like Craigslist, eBay, and even Facebook market came about.
Tried, yes. True... Well, I'd have to disagree.
Craigslist does not work that way, no.
You can change the region you are looking at any time you'd like. You are in no way locked in by a region or the signup process.
You are asked for a location to direct you to your local community/topic/subdirectory. You can then change that location at any time by browsing the location section of the site. You can see this now if you'd like, go to Craigslist and click the location dropdown in the upper left, and you can change where you want to browse at any time.
This isn't a centralized platform.
Its federated, thats not really a problem.
No you can't.
Thats the problem.
I'll ask again - can I join any server and set my location and get local content for me, here in the United States where there is currently no server listed as being online or available?
Edit: to be clear, if I can - great! The descriptions kind of suck then and should be changed.
If not, then yeah - I would not consider that a good design/model for classifieds.
chosing the instance that covers the geographic location you are interested in, just like you chose the location of the server in Craigslist.
No, I can't.
Because as you just said, the server is limiting the region. Making it server and not user.
There is no server for my region (or continent), so its not something I can use without standing up my own server.
I would not consider that a good design. Its extremely limiting to adoption and expansion.
Craigslist has server specific locations.
No, Craigslist has region specific sections.
The location of the server is not relevant. The servers are all hosting the same information, the user is picking the region they wish to browse.
There are not physical servers (or even virtual) to host each of those locations. They are subdirectories on a web host.
server specific
Maybe there is some miscommunication here.
Does the user determine their geographic region of themselves as a user, or is that determined by the server?
(Again, Craigslist works by the user picking a location, there is absolutely not a physical server at those locations)
I think youre misunderstanding that page - those are regions, they are not server specific. You aren't connecting to a different physical server hopping between 5 different cities across the United States (well you might be with CDNs but thats kind of besides the point).
They are designations - like an MQTT topic or a community here on Lemmy/piefed.
I can start a local community for my city here on anarchist.nexus, and a friend can create one for his local city in Canada. Its the same server, but the regions covered are different.
There aren't servers in each of those locations.
Its a designated region for users to make use of. User based, not server based.
Because the ability to post is locked to a server's region.
As you said, I can't go in and browse the United States listings. Why? What technical reason is there to prevent me, as a user, from wanting to join?
NOT as an admin. As a user.
Lets think of this like mastodon and hashtags for a second. If the hashtag were a location, why would I need to join aus.social to see the hashtag location for Australia? Why would I need to join mstdn.ca to see the hashtags for Canada?
I think the flohmarkt design inherently works the opposite of other federated designs. It is limiting by design, limiting server use by region, rather than what a user is choosing to follow.
I'm concerned I'm not explaining something properly, so if there is a part that isn't making sense to you, let me know.