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Fifty-nine percent of Americans think Biden and Trump too old for another term (abcnews.go.com)
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e; I wrote a better headline than the ABC editors decided to and excerpted a bit more

According to the poll, conducted using Ipsos' Knowledge Panel, 86% of Americans think Biden, 81, is too old to serve another term as president. That figure includes 59% of Americans who think both he and former President Donald Trump, the Republican front-runner, are too old and 27% who think only Biden is too old.

Sixty-two percent of Americans think Trump, who is 77, is too old to serve as president. There is a large difference in how partisans view their respective nominees -- 73% of Democrats think Biden is too old to serve but only 35% of Republicans think Trump is too old to serve. Ninety-one percent of independents think Biden is too old to serve, and 71% say the same about Trump.

Concerns about both candidates' ages have increased since September when an ABC News/Washington Post poll found that 74% of Americans thought Biden -- the oldest commander in chief in U.S. history -- was too old to serve another term as president, and 49% said the same about Trump.

Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20240214133801/https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-americans-on-biden-age/story?id=107126589

Part that drew my eye,

The poll also comes days after the Senate failed to advance a bipartisan foreign aid bill with major new border provisions.

Americans find there is blame to go around on Congress' failure to pass legislation intended to decrease the number of illegal crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border -- with about the same number blaming the Republicans in Congress (53%), the Democrats (51%) and Biden (49%). Fewer, 39%, blame Trump.

More Americans trust that Trump would do a better job of handling immigration and the situation at the border than Biden -- 44%-26% -- according to the poll.

So that bipartisan border bill stunt was terrible policy, and it doesn't seem to have done anything for the Democratic party politically

Can we please stop trying to compromise with fascists now?

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Anything with eyes would say they are old. Yes, a 2-party system is broken in the modern world. Still Biden/ Harris as president is better then Putin's cuddle buddy.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, a 2-party system is broken in the modern world.

I would love to have a 2-party system. But we have closer to a constellation of one party systems. Red States and Blue States, with a smattering of battlegrounds.

Between Winner-Take-All districts and the Electoral College, there's very little incentive to participate in an election in a municipality or state that's overwhelmingly one team or the other. And even when you do participate, you're limited to... what? People blowing up your phone and email with donation requests? A few months of block walking for a local candidate who you get to meet maybe twice and who barely knows your name? Running around bothering your friends a week before voting day not to sleep through this one? Getting drunk at a campaign event on election night, only to be dropped like a bad habit in the morning?

The parties themselves aren't really political entities. They're more like boosters for professional athletics teams or celebrity tours that you're expected to cheer for but never really interact with. They don't do anything outside of an election season. They don't provide any kind of constituent service or artery to the leadership themselves.

This consumerist politics is genuinely very different from the kind of organizing and activism that takes place throughout the rest of the democratic world. If it feels like Biden and Trump are just kinda being foisted on us by a cartel of party insiders, there's a good reason for it.

[–] SolarMech@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I was under the impression that even in other countries, activism is generally separate from the political parties and it's more like activist groups putting pressure on candidates and organizing for them if they are more favorable, and sometimes getting something in return.

I've seen exceptions, but I gather they are rare (and we can already see some change as the party is under pressure to become more "normal" and "competitive").

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I was under the impression that even in other countries, activism is generally separate from the political parties

You can see activist political movements operating in real time, in Pakistan and India right now. The Pakistani Tehreek-e-Insaf has been openly contesting the soft coup imposed by the state security services against former Prime Minister Imran Khan. And the India National Congress has been a big part of the outright mass mobilization of northern Indian farmers shutting down highways and blockading exports over the current President's plan to privatize the agricultural sector.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago

You don't have to pick any of the 2.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

59% of Americans should have been paying attention a year ago when something could have been done about it. The choice is made now, so accept the reality and choose one (preferably the one who is not a convicted sex offender with 93 felony indictments).

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

59% of Americans should have been paying attention a year ago when something could have been done about it.

What thing? The Democrats basically didn't have a primary. All the potential internal rivals to Biden bowed out.

The Republicans had a conga-line of sacrificial lambs. I even saw a few spicy Op-Eds suggesting that a true anti-Trump Democrat should be actively campaigning for Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley. But... Trump's a fucking hog. He's got every AM radio and Evangelical Church repping him. What were "59% of Americans" who'd been otherwise alienated from the political process supposed to do? Build an entirely new party from first principles and put... idfk... Mark Zuckerberg or Elon Musk on the top?

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

If the parties had been pushed hard enough for other options, they would have followed suit. The fact of the matter is that Trump and Biden beat everyone in the primaries. Biden won a primary where he wasn't even on the ballot. Nikki Haley lost a ballot to "none of the above. The majority got the candidates they want. We are the minority.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If the parties had been pushed hard enough for other options

The parties were pushed. The problem is that the party leadership pushed back. And since they had all the money and the organized manpower and the influential media figures, they won.

It’s too little too late now.

Which is why Biden's cruising for a bruising in November. His team made an executive decision to square off against Trump a second time, because the Dem Party assumed "ancient white male fossil" = "safe bet". They had all the cards, so they got their way. And now they're stuck with the weak hand they've chosen to play.

Biden won a primary where he wasn’t even on the ballot.

Biden won an unofficial NH contest in which his well-funded and professional GOTV team managed a better write-in campaign than a couple of nobodies.

The majority got the candidates they want.

95% of the primary vote hasn't even happened and every other candidate besides Nikki Haley has suspended their campaigns.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

73% of Democrats think Biden is too old to serve but only 35% of Republicans think Trump is too old to serve. Ninety-one percent of independents think Biden is too old to serve, and 71% say the same about Trump.

This is one of the really interesting takeaways. People are looking at Biden's gaffes--and he has always made verbals gaffes throughout his career as a politician--and saying that it's a sign that he's too old. Meanwhile, Trump, who trails Biden by a mere four years of age, is viewed as energetic and mentally sharp by Republicans. So essentially, Dems are pretty realistic in their assessment of both candidate's ages, while Republicans are only realistic about Biden.

Also - forcing the Senate to vote against their own compromise bill, a bill they'd worked on for months, was a fantastic bit of hilarity. They know that they're not going to be able to get a better bill under Trump--because the majority in the Senate would still shoot down their worst tendencies--but they couldn't risk bucking Trump. So they undid all their own work. ::chef kiss::

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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