Wait until they get to the level where 10 pages is easier than 1 page.
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Go to Wikipedia, copy that, then rewrite it underneath, make sure to delete the Wikipedia copy.
Why not, it's all the AI does
I got so good at cranking out papers in college that I could BS my way through them in a couple of hours
Plagiarism has always existed, it just easier over time. Before AI, a lot of students just copy and pasted stuff they found online and changed a some words to get past the plagiarism checking programs. Right now all that manual work got automated so you don't have to copy and paste or alter what you took, you can just prompt an AI chatbot to do it for you.
As someone that finished a couple of years ago it was already becoming that way then.
This didn't mean that people weren't learning but they were getting lazy. The AI detection isn't good enough because a lot of people are willing to write their papers through the AI in pieces and check that, since it's still faster than doing it yourself in most cases.
It's becoming this weird cycle. It's expected that you'll use AI anyway, that you'll be discriminated against for it, that professionals are going to try to use it to cut down on their work once hired, that HR is going to use it in the hiring process. So no one sees a reason not to use it.
This was painful
Slacker.
I routinely wrote more than 10 pages in handwritten passages just to play a game. Indeed I still do. Without any degenerative AI in sight. (Because nobody's crammed an LLMbecile into my fountain pens yet.)
I used to write small games in BASIC on paper and then go over to my friend's house and type them into his VIC-20 to play them (these things had an optional tape drive for saving programs but his parents were too cheap to pay for that). It really taught me to code carefully and get everything right the first time around. In the early '90s I visited India and saw software companies that had ten programmers and one PC and they were also coding with pencil and paper. I assumed that this meant Indian programmers were going to be fantastic once they each got their own computers, but I was wrong about this -- they're just as shitty as everybody else.
I'm so sad. People are becoming so reliant on AI that they can't write (nor read) more than one sentence
Wat????
This needs more upvotes :)
10 pages hand written in cursive in 1982.
Ugh, while I'm glad I got to see the world before computers were everywhere, I don't envy people who had to handwrite all their papers, nor teachers who had to grade those reports.
Were typewriters cheap enough that most students had them, or did they have "typing rooms" the same way schools set up computer labs? Or was handwriting just the norm even after typewriters were ubiquitous? Maybe in HS it was common but surely college profs couldn't be fucked with handwriting for the most part?
Typewriters were pretty cheap but not very many people owned one. Colleges had typewriter labs sometimes, but it was more common to hand-write your papers and then have a professional typist type them up. I went to college in the '80s and we had labs with a bunch of word processors we could use, but I had borrowed my dad's portable electric typewriter and I mostly used that. During my junior year the G type slug broke off of its typebar, so for the rest of my college career I had to hand-write the Gs on all my papers.
I got my degree in 2008. All my exams were handwritten (but fortunately I didn't have to write 10 pages per question, which is good as I physically can't write that much in the time allotted). I did at least get to type my undergraduate thesis.
I got mine 10 years later and it was the same. We had to type out papers and projects, but exams were handwritten. Being an engineering major certainly lent itself to that as typing out your work in a math problem sucks, especially when it includes diagrams. But humanities exams were also predominantly pen and paper, often using standardized essay booklets that were provided by the proctor.
I think that that's the best way to handle it. It can be properly supervised for cheating and minimizes distractions. Also, holy crap I'd hate to take a statics or dynamics or calc exam on a computer
I only had to handwrite for a 1st year class that was big enough to be a lecture. I think the exam probably required less than ~8 paragraphs total but that was enough. My school was pretty small so fortunately all the rest of my humanities classes were seminars we turned in reports for. I would've hated having to do those style exams for my entire degree, even without the handwriting issue.
I don't think I've written anything longer than a couple paragraphs by hand at one time in the past 30 years. I'll still take some notes here and there and I've been known to send a postcard or two if I'm traveling, but typing is so much faster anyway.
I once had a professor who claimed she passed a high level language course without attending a class or studying it. She was fluent in an adjacent Romance language and knew a little of some other overlapping languages. Basically walked in to the final and got a C+ on cognates alone.
One of my greatest academic achievements was a very long, in-depth research paper that was assigned on the first day of the semester and due on the last. "Don't put it off until the end," our teacher warned us, "because you won't be able to finish this in a couple of hours. You should be doing a little bit of work on it every week." It was to be deeply-researched, extensively endnoted, and (if I recall correctly) fifty pages long, single-spaced, 10pt.
Except I had a full-time job throughout college, and that semester my schedule found me going to work immediately after that (morning) class, both days, every week. By the time I was off work, the thought of that assignment had left my undiagnosed ADHD brain entirely. The semester melted away like the cotton candy in that raccoon video.
And suddenly the last day of class was approaching. I requested the prior day off of work, figuring that I'd work the whole day on it. Only I made a mistake: I hadn't requested the day before it was due. I had requested the day it was due. I'd be working four full days of work, with classes (and at least one early final exam), and then the paper would be due, and only after that would I have the day to write it.
But you do what you have to, and when you're 19 years old, the vagaries of time and sleep seem almost meaningless to you. I was going to get off work at 6pm, which was 14½ hours before the assignment was due. My university had a 24-hour computer lab, which was good, as it was 2004 and I didn't have internet in my apartment (how did I ever live like that?).
So I went home, ate a quick dinner, and went to school, locking myself into the computer lab at 8:00pm. When I poked my head out the door at 7:30am, the sun was bright and the air slightly crisp; and I held 52 freshly-printed pages in my hand. I was done early (technically) and had beaten the page count (also technically). I felt like I had beaten the Water Temple in Ocarina of Time. I ate breakfast to supplement the copious amounts of Nutty Bars and soda I had consumed overnight, and then I turned the paper in; and as class that morning was "optional," I opted to go home, where I discovered that perhaps time was not so vague at all, nor sleep, and I went unconscious for the rest of the morning and a decent chunk of the afternoon.
A week later, I got my grades back. At that point in any semester I was always beyond caring about how well I had scored, but I looked anyway out of curiosity.
"Well done!" she had written in the notes. "I can tell you really put a lot of time into this. 95/100"
I mean, technically she was right, I had put a lot of time into it: the 11½ hours immediately leading up to my turning it in, to be precise.
Ope, I had a few of those projects. Typically for me they were group projects where I was the only competent person in the group at writing in English or at doing our major. I always told people that I could do any one part of the project, got given the engineering portion, then wound up having to do the whole thing last minute. And thus a night without sleep where everyone bailed when they either decided they couldn't really help or had to fly home.
But hey, at least my senior capstone wasn't like that, it took two of us barely sleeping for a month to get it done on time despite making decent progress all year prior…
Very crunchy… Totally works though.
The semester melted away like the cotton candy in that raccoon video.
Source:

This always kills me when I see this. The raccoon and opossum that basically has made a home in my garage....with my fat ass garage cat, loves to take the cat food that, said fat ass doesn't finish during the day, and put it in the water....every single morning, I'm having to clean it cause the racoon loves to eat his food soaked to mush. Still love the little shit when I occasionally catch him in the evening laying around in the garage, like he's trash panda hut.
don't worry gentle reader they gave him another one
Do you have a longer version?
When I was at a party in college a friend was bumming the vibes because he had an English paper due the following Monday and he was stressed out.
I asked him what the topic was and it was any play studied in the course. I asked him which play he knew best and if I recall correctly it was The Importance of Being Earnest.
I chatted with him for a bit, asked him why he liked the play, what it meant to him, what parts he thought were most important, and what he thought was the ultimate point Wilde was making.
After about a half hour I wrote the outline on the back of a placemat.
Intro: state what point your essay will ultimately try to make, and summarize how you'll get there (1 page).
For each "way" that you'll get there, write three paragraphs: your point, what in the text supports your point, and how that point supports the thesis in the intro. (1.5-2 pages).
Do that for each of the four "ways". (6-8 pages total)
Explain why those dozen paragraphs illustrate and support the claims you made in the introduction.
Suffice it to say, the party roared on, he likely wasn't able to think on Saturday but on Sunday I guess he did a pretty good job of bullshitting his way to nine single spaced pages, and he got a B, which was above average for him in that class.
That structure, intro, points, references, supports statements, conclusion, can literally be blown out into a thesis or even a book, as long as you have a clear idea of what you're trying to say and how you intend to back it up, and you can write coherent (dare to dream, interesting!) prose to explain everything in between.
What people are missing is that that process is actually fun. Trying to figure out how you can make a point in an interesting way that is backed up by references that you can argue in support on your point is actually interesting and fun, you just have to stop thinking about why you can't/won't and just throw yourself at it.
This right here. I like writing things down. I like shaping ideas in my head so that they come out on paper before me. I like that feeling of accomplishment.
People were writing 10+ page reports before computers. Writing shit by hand.
People were doing that after computers as well. See exams.
I never liked that. It felt like only 20% of my mental bandwidth went into words, sentences and ideas. The rest went into printing characters on the paper by using the slowest method possible. No wonder why the text sucked every time. Using a computer improved text quality and output rate significantly.
I wrote 10 pages single spaced by accident after failing to read an instruction that asked for double spacing. Writing that much about intercellular communication 25 years ago took flipping weeks at the library
I guess they didn't have search and replace back then?
Well, there was also the reading. It was a computer terminal system to find items, but you often needed a few return trips if things were in use
Just weakness. Everyone knows you write your term paper starting less than 24 hours before the deadline and crank out a fully realized thesis made out of nothing but energy drinks and Adderall
Ah… I remember these days, being in a somewhat nervous caffeine induced psychosis, typing in an haughty fervor and writing 20+ pages with unmerited arrogance and barely an ounce of fear. Printing it out before it’s due and feeling like I pulled off an Ocean’s theft after managing a 93%. 
Not every one is like that! Some of us start on the very day they get the assignment, work on it for a good hour, then without a fail every week stress about it for a whole afternoon until finishing the paper on the due day.
I did a twenty page "research" paper for philosophy the night before having read one page from the dude. And got a b+
Oh I had a 1-1 presentation with the professor for a philosophy class and he wanted us to present one point from one author, capture the point in five minutes or less, and survive ten minutes of cross examination. This guy was a real shark too, not only was he known to be very sharp and super cutting with his critiques, he was the kind of guy who would force a class of forty people to sit a presentation in his office for twenty minutes each so he could avoid correcting term papers.
I chose Marshall McLuhan and spoke for maybe three minutes and why his assertion that "the medium is the message" is true because the invention of email made it unacceptable for a company with a branch in Toronto and one in Montreal to communicate by horseback, so the expected pace of business was irrevocably changed. Email is only "amazing" for a couple of days, then it's a fact that dictates expectations, and so, what you communicate by email is of much less consequence in the long run than the deep change in corporate culture that email causes. That was the core of McLuhan's point.
Got an A+ for that one, and was out of his office and on my way in less than ten minutes.
Marshall McLuhan's was the only work I read of all the assignments in that entire class.
The Dude abides.
Shit, I'll write a 10 page paper as an internet reply to a topic I'm only just finding out about.
I had an ethics class in college where we had to write a 10-page capstone paper for part of the final.
The teacher wrote an outline and description for what she wanted, and encouraged everyone to work on it for a few hours a week to make sure they finished it on time.
I waited until the last day of class, banged it out in about an hour and a half, and submitted it around 15 minutes before it was finally due.
Got an A, with a comment about how great the work was. Kids these days.