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[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 1 points 3 minutes ago* (last edited 1 minute ago)

Okay, first day here and I already see I perhaps shouldn't have subscribed.

Anyone who thinks about it for a second longer than it takes to read it will see the problem - this rules completely devalue skilled work. An hour of sweeping the floor is valued the same as hour-long operation on sick patient. Except cost of becoming a doctor is countless hours paid to teachers, professors etc. while cost of becoming a cleaner is just a broom. Rewards is the same, so why bother? Why take risky job or something that requires upstart investment? In fact you would need to work years as a menial worker before you afford learning any skilled job... unless we add loans but with loans we explain why there are billionaires "I never did 10 000 hours of work, but I loaned my hours with interest"

Also - anyone who does farming will most likely notice that a daily intake of food necessary to survival will probably cost you a week of work or so...

I'm all for treating everyone fairly, but this idea is the kinda shit that starts dystopias.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago)

"The problem with capitalism is that there's billionaires who steal too much labor, and everything would be fixed if correct policy was put into place that turned everyone into a small business owner"

didn't know we're simping for Mussolini here

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Why is it that half the posts i see from this comm use the logic of a child?

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 35 minutes ago

Guess they have to keep up with their day job of posting 10-20 posts a day, lots of it is going to be brimstone

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 2 points 48 minutes ago

They're trying to explain complex ideas to people like you.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Fun math, assuming 3 million man hours to design, test, and bring a car to production and 35 hours to build the actual car, a 200k unit run would work out to 50 hours per car.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 53 minutes ago (1 children)

Why would it be only 35 hours though. It starts with people mining the raw resources, producing the raw parts, and includes transport on every step of the way. I estimate it's at least 1000s of hours. 35 maybe is enough to account for assembly alone.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago

If we get into value added along the chain then yeah. I was assuming the company or whoever had already paid out the suppliers.

[–] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

different jobs have different values

a doctor should objectively be paid more than a salesman

but he isnt

the salesman social engineers society into thinking hes important

he is the definition of a parasite

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 44 minutes ago (2 children)

different jobs have different values

No, fuck that line of thinking. We live in an interconnected world where every worker does something useful for society, and they all have a right to a happy, fulfilling life.

[–] HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 1 points 9 minutes ago

There is no reason for skilled work then.

Why be a doctor who had to spend countless hours learning his job when you can just sweep the streets and get the same reward?

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 1 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

Everyone has a right to a happy fulfilling life as a baseline.

But doctors are one of the most valuable people in society, going all the way back to tribal times. It's just how it is. We would do well to encourage our best and brightest in society to become doctors.

The margins are definitely thinner than current society makes them ill give you that.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago)

"I as a CEO provide job opportunities and "hours" to spend for TEN THOUSAND people. Obviously my time should be considered worth more than a doctor who does only one person's hours"

There's many reasons why one would claim that their job is more important, but essentially there's 2 kinds of jobs: those that are valuable to the society, and those that are not. Plumber's job is just as important as doctor's

[–] Tja@programming.dev 10 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

A house costs a year? There's a house being built near me and it's been under construction for about a year by several teams of workers plus the owners every afternoon and weekend. (this is in Germany so it's not made of matches and paper). And that's not counting the hours needed to extract the raw materials and process them into bricks, insulation, glass, cables or pipes. There's a TON of labor to build a modern house.

[–] jafffacakelemmy@mander.xyz 1 points 18 minutes ago

Are they working all through the night? One man working 40 hours a week with no sickness but including 5 weeks holidays per year works 1880 hours. A year of hours is 8760.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago

Skill issue. They build houses out of concrete here in China in like a month, in Japan they use wood and do the same, tho they lose all value after 30 years.

[–] OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

I mean, maybe. But a year seems like a lot for a full team, so either that team is not working as much and as consistently as you'd think OR that house is worth a lot more than a year.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 hours ago

Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.

Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 hours ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours

Many towns/places have tried doing that as a local currency. It never seems to stick....

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 23 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Everyone's hours would be equally valued. The problem is not every job's hours is equal.

You would have lots of people in white collar jobs, but you would struggle to fill positions like sanitation worker, oil rig worker etc.

The issue is not with currency, the problem is with capital markets and value that is not directly linked to a product or time.

[–] bequirtle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Isn't that backwards? You would get more sanitation workers if they were paid the same as white collar

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Sanitation is definitely one of those jobs that don't get valued and paid enough.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Would you be surprised to learn that a lot of those guys are making 65k with union benefits?

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 14 points 8 hours ago

Lots of white collar jobs just straight up shouldn't exist. Not all, but a lot of them.

But also hours should be for luxury items and basic necessities should be free for everyone.

The hour system on its own just pushes the issues with capitalism one step back.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

stumbles upon socially necessary labor power…

[–] foenix@lemmy.radio 9 points 9 hours ago

Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat features a planet like this that was initially governed by a computer. Such a good series, highly recommend as anarchist entertainment.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 35 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (4 children)

So how does it work if I spend 10-20,000 hours in medical school and then spend three minutes setting your broken bone?

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It doesn't really matter for this point.

The point is that nobody earns ten million hours (1,140 constant years) of work ($1b @ $100/hr).

You can have a lot of leeway with ratios and that'll still never be true.

[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 59 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Healthcare’s goal should not be to be profitable. The government should subsidize both the education and pay of medical staff for the wellbeing of their people.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I've played around with this idea, and the best solution I came up with was amortizing hours spent in training over the course of a career. If you spend 20,000 hours in med school, and you have a projected career of (40 years × 2,000 hours per year) 80,000 hours, one hour of your labor would have a value of 1.25 "unskilled" hours.

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[–] Klear@piefed.world 24 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Everybody would be working sooooo sloooowly....

[–] OddMinus1@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Maybe, but I would probably be excited to pick up other professions. I feel like I could do drywalling as a side hustle.

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

This brings up the question of experience and how good you're at what you're doing - because no matter how enthusiastic you would be (assuming you're new to this), someone with 20 years of experience will always be better than you - and we're back at square 1 and putting prices on things.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Good, maybe we wouldn't be such a bunch of wastrels if we weren't running around because a website might go down or meeting might be delayed if we don't rush

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 6 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

My job involves fixing machines that unload container ships.

If one breaks down mid vessel it needs to be up and running, my poor performance has a massive flow on effect around the world

[–] falcunculus@jlai.lu 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Does it though? Where does the "need" in your sentence come from?

How come the supply chain has no slack to allow for (inevitable) hiccups and accidents? The answer is two part. It used to have them but they were optimized away. It still has them, but you are led to believe they aren't there because putting this pressure on you allows your bosses to extract more work out of you.

And how come the supply chain is so stressed? Is everything that goes through it so essential that a single late ship is a catastrophe? The answer is obviously not, we are shipping gigatons of drivel across the world that gets immediately forgotten in a drawer or tossed in the bin once it reaches its final destination.

If you are shipping essential goods then there is a safety net of supplies at the destination to absorb any issues in shipping (if there isn't, clearly these goods were not essential). If you aren't shipping essential goods, then it's already factored in global insurance markets, and late shipping is merely someone's bank account getting bigger at a lesser rate.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 1 points 19 minutes ago

I live in a port city everything comes by boat or train at the same place.

Food everything.

If the boat over stays its time someone pays for the demurrage.

It can get up to 100k a day to have a ship sit there.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Or maybe Just-In-Time supply chains should be heavily regulated. Companies using cargo freighters as warehouse space inevitably leads to everything grinding to a halt when anything gets delayed during shipping. Know how companies used to avoid short-term supply chain issues? They had enough stock in their warehouse to last more than a single fucking day at a time.

But manufacturing companies realized that instead of paying for warehouse space to store excess raw material, they could just throw massive fucking hissy fits whenever a shipping container gets delayed. And the MBAs gave it a nice pretty name (JIT) to make themselves feel smart. And now shipping companies get blamed when manufacturing grinds to a halt, instead of blaming the manufacturers that failed to plan for a single day of shipping delays.

And manufacturing that has the potential to cascade into critical/infrastructure delays shouldn’t be allowed to use JIT. Very little would be impacted when a popsicle stick manufacturer has a JIT delay. But a lot of people would care if chemicals used in water treatment plants got delayed, and they suddenly had no clean drinking water.

[–] Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone 3 points 5 hours ago

Yeah but a day here then the ship leaves late, a day at the next port and the next its never good.

Things tend to always run behind as is. We get notified ships in from 21 to 24ty etc then 2 days before its thr 22nd to the 25th a almost every time

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 hours ago

Congratulations, you're one of the few.

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 20 points 12 hours ago (3 children)
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