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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The caloric calculation is only based on the effort at time of exercise, you continue to burn afterwards for several hours as muscles recover and heal -all that takes energy, and energy only comes from burning.

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah and don't forget that the newly built muscle needs more energy as well just to maintain.

I have to eat painfully much... (I'm quite active, and even when not I eat a looot more than others...)

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The resting metabolism of muscle tissue isn't that high. It's mostly overstated when it comes to actual passive calorie burn.

But that isn't to say that having significant muscle doesn't have a measurable/significant effect on calorie expenditure. If you're building muscle by going to the gym, each trip back to the gym will involve more weight and therefore more calories due to the exercise itself. So packing on muscle makes each trip to the gym more productive in terms of calories burned.

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Around 15 kCal/kg daily, maybe not very high indeed, but it's significant, say I have 10-15kg more muscles than the average untrained person, that would be 150-225 more calories at rest, also you're not always resting as you say already, the number will likely be higher, when considering daily activities, also since there's more strength, it's likely that the muscles are more used when doing sports (faster running/cycling, more weights, etc.), which is also relevant.

(For my case, I have a very inefficient metabolism likely (rather results in heat than fat-increase), I eat a lot even when I'm not trained, but right now, as I'm a little bit more packed I eat absurd amounts of food (due to a lot of drumming mostly btw. wouldn't have thought it results in that much extra muscle/calories-burning))

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago

15 kg of muscle (not just water and the accompanying fat/glycogen/bone density that comes from being that strong) is a lot. That might represent a 30 kg difference in actual body weight. For someone that big, an extra 250 calories per day (fat is metabolically active, too) is pretty insignificant compared to the immense calorie burn they'll get from the actual exercise needed to maintain that muscle.

Like you mention, a huge chunk of the effect is the increase in calories of just moving that heavier body around in daily activities.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You gain muscle at the gym.

You lose weight in the kitchen.

[–] teuniac_@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But.. being active overall does help. Just cycling to places instead of driving can easily add up to 1000+ calories per week. Depending on where you live, it might not even use that much more time. And then there's the possibility to have active holidays and to walk more. And the great thing is, you can still go to the gym and do sports in addition to all of this.

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Actually the more I have read into what is a healthy active routine (more on the athletic side of things, because I have overloading issues) Cycling to work, is like the perfect active rhythm for the body.

Especially when you do it fast (VO2 max).

The body needs time to recover and needs just little stimulus for growth/maintenance (so marathon is not good for your body, it's just wear and tear), and after ~6-8 hours, needs stimulus for further growth again (so cycling back from work).

I have always wondered why I was comparatively muscular to others (for some part it's likely genetics), I think it was/is because I cycle like a complete madman to work (well... VO2 max), because I'm an adrenaline junkie.

I just recently discovered that this is actually quite healthy (well not in the casualty sense obviously, but for cardio and general health).

If you're interested I can recommend this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anB-UMXIDQA

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[–] VibeSurgeon@piefed.social 208 points 3 days ago (59 children)

Some things I've learned throughout the years that may be useful to some people:

  • if your aim is to use a lot of energy, dialing down the intensity significantly and working for a longer time is the way to go
  • basically all cardio machines at the gym are going to be boring as all hell, going outside and doing activities is a lot more fun
  • baking in activity into your day-to-day routines is very helpful. Transporting yourself by biking, walking, taking transit, a mix of all of the above makes a large difference
  • cardio as a means of losing weight has a downside in that vigorous exercise provokes a lot of hunger. make sure to combine with small sustainable changes in diet for best results
[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 89 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I've learned that cardio can work, but there's also a lot of truth to that "you can't outrun a bad diet" saying. Like you said, your body can subtly undermine your work by making you more hungry, and it can also cause you to be less active in between exercise without realizing it.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Last year I cut out 95% of all junk food and snacking, started eating more lean protein (like chicken), and made sure to cut out ultra processed foods where I could (i.e. home-cooked meals vs frozen dinners), and without increasing exercise I lost 20 lbs in 2 months. Sometimes it really is the diet that holds you back.

[–] bright@piefed.social 24 points 3 days ago

That isn't a surprise, diet makes a massively bigger difference than exercise, but the real goal needs to be sustainability.

[–] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 21 points 3 days ago

It's always the diet. Even someone who burns an extra 4000 calories a day can eat themselves into obesity.

That doesn't mean someone has to starve to lose weight, just watch what they eat, like you did.

That's a fantastic result, nice job.

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[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

My body isn't subtle in the slightest.

Any amount of work?

We're starving, we're starving! Says my body, like the cats who have a still almost full bowl of food.

Stupid meat husk.

[–] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's extremely valuable to get "used to" first-world hunger in modern times.

I used to be the same way. Though after about the first 18 months of "diet and exercise" (self-defined and imposed to a healthy level), I basically stopped caring if I was "hungry".

First-world hunger is akin to a baby crying because their stomach happened to growl. If you're ACTUALLY hungry, you feel insanely drained and even crappy food is magnificent.

If you even feel a preference about what to eat, you're not actually hungry! (is the easiest way to exemplify it)

On top of that, it's wonderful to train your stomach to be able to go, "oh wait, I'm just empty. I know how to be empty. This is fine.".

To put it succinctly: The urge to eat is totally different when you genuinely need the nutrition. After you're used to it, fast food and other high-energy but low nutrition meals are ... shockingly unfulfilling.

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[–] zeroConnection@programming.dev 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, it's WAY easier to avoid eating that 1000kcal burger, than to burn 1000kcal

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[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Please. You don't use exercise to lose weight. That's what bootleg weight loss drugs are for.

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[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The exercise is not (primarily) for weight loss. It's so your body doesn't feel like a useless sack of potatoes the whole day. So you're not out of breath when picking something up from the ground. The weight loss is unfortunately primarily achieved in the kitchen.

At least, that's my experience. But maybe if you used to not move at all it makes a big difference. I lost weight when I changed my diet for the better, and I gain weight whenever I slip up significantly. But when I stopped running 15km per week (for health reasons) I didn't really gain a significant amount, maybe a kg (accounting for noise). I did become a useless sack if potatoes though, so I'm back in the grind.

I think your experience is correct.

Your body keeps a set calorie usage target that it will adjust to. So over long times it will normalise to using a set amount. New exercise will burn extra energy initially, but you then adjust to doing it.

Diet changes have best effect, exercise is needed to stop you losing muscle mass.

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[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (5 children)

To me the point of regular exercise, especially cardio, is that if I run every day, my body simply doesn't want to eat the unhealthy food. I can't run if I've eaten a sleeve of Oreos that day. And afterwards my body craves hearty, healthy meals and vegetables.

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[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.today 51 points 3 days ago

As someone else mentioned, humans are hilariously good at cardio. And the more you do it the more efficient you become at it, which means less calories burned.

Then there's NEAT (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis) which is unconscious movements you perform during the day. This accounts for a huge number of calories you burn during the day. Both exercise and cutting calories reduce NEAT, especially at you get leaner.

This isn't to say you shouldn't cut calories or exercise. Reducing caloric intake absolutely works, you just need to be aware that your body will adjust to it, and that you should take breaks from dieting occasionally to bring your daily estimated calorie burn back up. Exercise should be thought of as something that improves health with a side benefit of some caloric burn.

Just my opinion.

[–] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (5 children)

This one hits close to home. I was in great shape the first half-plus of my life. Played sports, swam competitively, did the Marine thing. Always had a reason to want to not be out of shape, mainly so doing things didn't suck.

Lost reason. Packed some pounds on, maybe 20 or so.

Finally decided about a year and a half ago to start running again, and so now I run like 35-40 miles a week, and every run I see the calories. Run for 45 minutes, burn like 650 calories. Costco has these cookies that I have to avoid seeing, and each cookie is 200 calories, and I can easily eat three, four, five at a clip, with a nice tall glass of milk. And so I'll run for 90 minutes, and literally offset the benefit entirely in 10 minutes watching Netflix before bed.

It's not fair. But it is what it is. And so my reason to run is chocolate chip cookies.

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[–] BurgerBaron@quokk.au 45 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It's actually infuriating how energy efficient the human body is...in peace time anyways.

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[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 13 points 2 days ago

People see that and think: wow exercise is pointless, instead of, maybe it's weird to eat a 1200kcal meal at mcdonalds

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I don't understand the idea of "rewarding" yourself with crappy food after you exercise to burn calories.

I suggest adopting the mantra "food is not reward, food is not entertainment".

I don't necessarily agree with "food is not a reward, food is not entertainment". It can be a wonderful and enriching experience to dive into food culture around the world!

Sure, French cuisine is loaded with butter and salt, just make less. Vietnamese cuisine is lean and packed with nutrients. Mexican food can be protein rich and healthy if you take your time to adapt the ingredients to your needs.

Sure, processed sweets and 'treats' are almost always awful for you, just don't deal with them and let actual depth and richness from good quality ingredients guide you!

Never skimp on food, take it in high regard, it's one of the few things that unites all humans equally :)

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 7 points 2 days ago

Always a good habit to remove those nice little things from your life. Our lot is to suffer!

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[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Humans are hilariously efficient at running. Skipping a candy bar is easier than running two miles.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The line I like is "you can't outrun your fork." Weight loss is 99% about the kitchen, bodybuilding is probably about 75% the kitchen.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (24 children)

Part of the trick is finding an exercise that's actually enjoyable to do so that you don't care how hard you're working or how much time has passed. Time is gonna pass extra slow on a treadmill and feel really difficult, if you're not enjoying it. I find that the bicycle is that sweet spot for me, I do it because it's fun not because of my health.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

I like riding a bmx bike but I'm also pushing 40 so I look like an old crackhead who just stole a kids BMX bike if I do.

Do it, nobody gives a shit more than you do

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[–] stickyprimer@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (9 children)

It is easier to limit excess calories than to burn them with exercise, for sure.

But I do the recommended 30 minutes of β€œmoderate exercise” and I see 200 calories, so it is maybe not entirely as dismal as this?

Exercise is good for mental health

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm 265 lbs. and if the treadmill takes that into account I see about 400 calories down 30 minutes into my 5k.

BUT, the saying I've heard is "you can't outrun your fork" and it seems to be true. (For example, I quite enjoy eating 2000 calories at a buffet in 30 minutes... if I'm going to get back down to a reasonable weight, I have to DON'T DO THAT.)

It is actually harder this time, because before the rapist-in-chief got re-elected, I was down to 220 and could finish a 5k in <28 minutes.

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (5 children)

People must be made so different. Exercise is the main factor in my size & weight. Like, even getting a job where I have to go up the stairs makes a difference.

And remember that there are so many benefits to exercise, beyond body shape. Cardio is so good for your heart and helps ease anxiety, lifting is so good for your bones, yoga helps keep you resilient & mobile so you don't break when you fall down, and helps with balance.

All of them help offset all the sitting most of us have to do at work.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

"You just eat less and exercise more."

- Crunch Bandicoot, Crash Nitro Kart

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[–] homes@piefed.world 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Had a short walk to the store and back. About 130 cal burned. Then I drink a big glass of milk. 300 cal.

Awesome

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[–] kinther@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I got a recumbent bike from a sale at a big box store. Set up a Steam Link (yes i know its old as fuck) and a Steam Controller. I play my library of games while I bike. The last few years I play Fall Guys for anywhere from 30-60 minutes at a time.

Great cardio. I forget I'm even doing it. Usually burn around 300-500 in a session a few times a week. All that said, I still eat like shit and can't lose weight... BUT I am not putting any on. So thats nice I guess.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm guessing you mean a stationary bike and not necessarily a recumbent bike

Because otherwise I'm just stuck imagining you biking around in circles in the street in front of your house while playing steam games...

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