No no no and fuck bo. Fuck you taylor and your US cribbed bigotry
this post was submitted on 19 May 2026
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I just don't get the whole bathroom outrage thing. Look, I'm a bloke, so have NFI, but don't women's bathrooms have stalls? So who is looking? Who cares?
Seriously, I wouldn't care if somebody came into the gents and squatted over a urinal to pee.
We are there to pee and/or poo. And get out as fast as possible. And I do, what, 98% of that in my own home anyways? Are people living in these public bathrooms 24x7 or something to be offended?
I just don't get it.
Sexual assaults are overwhelmingly carried out by males on females. Sex separated changing rooms/bathrooms/toilets drastically reduce the chance of a woman (or girl) being sexually assaulted.
If you give males the ability to enter female changing rooms by saying they’re women, guess who will absolutely jump at that chance? Sex offenders and perverts.
This does not seem to be the case. For instance: https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/safety-in-restrooms-and-facilites/
https://x.com/katebmwriting/status/2008096432771768355
This is what you get when you give perverts and sex offenders direct access to women’s spaces.
Don't have x so can't view it. If you have responded to a study with a single Twitter post though the mate... What are ya doin...
It's a video of a guy being caught jacking off in the women's toilets.
As someone with family members in academia, I know first hand how 99% of studies are a joke. They're generally "pay to get the result you ask for", and "my thesis is true because I've just excluded all the data that proves it's false".
As someone with family members in academia, I know first hand how 99% of studies are a joke.
As someone who works in academia, I know that that is bullshit.
Studies are generally paid for by someone to support a desired outcome. You deny this?
Yes. Twitter is owned by a billionaire who likes to push a certain worldview. You deny this?
Firstly, what has that got to do with anything?
Secondly, Twitter is the only social media site where you don’t get banned for simply voicing your opinion if it doesn’t align with the lefts circle jerk talking points. Twitter doesn’t push any worldview.
Im not happy with Labour in the slightest.
But please, we have to keep the bar from being dragged lower like the dumbasses over the Pacific did.
Keep the bigots out. Keep the Harpy away from power.
"VOTE FOR ME, I WILL STRIKE DOWN THE SEX DISCRIMINATION ACT " is pretty on brand for the liberal party when you think about it.
Damn, at a glance scrolling through my feed I thought that was James May
We’ve been told by the “progressives” that gender and sex are different things for years, so there should be no complaints if the Sex Discrimination Act is reverted to be about Sex and not “gender identity”.
It's all a distraction to keep us plebs fighting each other instead of the ruling class.
This is such a non-issue. Let people identify how they like, try call people by their self-identified gender. Who is the fuck cares that someone who's sex is female at birth is a man, vice versa, or otherwise. Bathrooms should be all-gender anyway, with stalls with complete walls from wall to ceiling. We don't solve sexual assaults with separate bathrooms, the notion that we do is absurd.
Fucking insane that people fall for this bullshit, and also that progressives waste their time fighting with them over this.
I really wish we started treating this as the common sense issue that is. To me, women are women if they say they're woman, men are men, etc. ffs move on.
There's no war but the class war, and trans people are just the latest "other" for the ruling class to focus on to keep us divided.
The court ruling sounds reasonable. Cis women might not be comfortable around trans women in female only spaces and saying "just get over it" isn't really progressive. Denial that there is a genuine conflict of interest here is also counterproductive.
We also need to recognize that the median voter is supportive of trans rights in general but tends not to be on specific issues. Trying to brute force it with government policy will likely have the opposite effect.
The concern is if this ends up extending the ability to exclude trans women from women-only spaces to places which are "generally" gender segregated like bathrooms or team sports. If we end up without measures that protect the right of trans women to participate in society then that would be unacceptable.
The first paragraph here sounds unnervingly like an attempt to rationalise bigotry.
People are uncomfortable with a lot of things and it's usually their problem, not everyone elses.
It's not bigotry for women to be uncomfortable around men in women only space. While I try my best to treat trans women as women, it's not right to demand that women feel as comfortable around trans women as they do around cis women.
It’s not bigotry for women to be uncomfortable around men in women only space
#AND THERE IT IS.
Begone, bigot.
If you think this is bigotry then you don’t know what bigotry is.
Tenderizer literally called transwomen men. That's pretty textbook bigotry. Not sure what you're complaining about here, apart from the fact that Taleya called it what it was.
I did not. I was referred to cis men in that sentence, to explain why the term bigotry doesn't apply to matters of privacy. Either way treating that as some kind of gotcha is so very expected.
Oh dear. Please don't try that martyred crap. There is a very clear line of conversational progression here and you literally said "It’s not bigotry for women to be uncomfortable around men in women only space. "
Trans women are male. Saying so isn’t bigotry. Anyway that’s not even what that person said, so it’s definitely not bigotry.
It's irrational to fear people identified as male at birth whose testosterone is suppressed
It's irrational to think that people that are defending sex-segregated places "fear" trans-women. No one "fears" trans people. What they are concerned about is trans "rights", which are not actually rights, eroding womens actual rights.
~~Cis~~White women might not be comfortable around ~~trans~~ black women in ~~female only~~ segregated spaces and saying 'just get over it' isn't really progressive.
Also, what "true conflict of interest" exists, other than people with prejudice feeling uncomfortable? Trans people are less likely to commit crime than cis people on the whole, with the main exception being more likely to be charged with crimes realted to sex work due to unemployment.
The racial analogue doesn't fit. The existence of women-only spaces isn't meant to discriminate against men because men are provided comparable alternatives, and they're only discriminatory against trans women because they're not provided an alternative.
Trans women are women, but forcing women to emotionally react to trans women as if they were cis women is not a decision we can or should make for them. Feelings don't care about your facts.
I'll try to come up with some conflicts of interest of the top of my head:
- Women generally prefer restrooms to be gender segregated as a matter of privacy. Trans women who don't have the same eldritch horrors of bodies likely don't fall under the same privacy grouping. Some places have taken the step of making all restrooms unisex but women often don't like it when that happens.
- Lesbian romantic events exist for women to meet other women, and while generally we should treat trans women as women, in no universe can or should we impose that onto people's sexuality.
- Someone who's had a traumatic experience with men and goes to a women-only space, only to discover that someone they've been talking to has been AMAB all along. It could be a healing or re-traumatizing experience, but it shouldn't be imposed upon them as a matter of trans inclusion.
- While trans women aren't necessarily better at sports than cis women, when they are it's reasonable to think their birth sex might play a part (whether right or wrong). That thought alone discourages participation in women's sports.
The racial analogue fits because we're another minority group that faces discrimination. Hope that helps.
Seperate but equal, hmm, where have I heard that before?
What do your hypothetical women's emotions have to do with segregation?
Trans women are women but we shouldn't be allowed in women's restrooms because we look different?
Trans women are women but what about lesbians? Because we love different?
Trans women are women but what if a women thinks I might have been a man once and freaks out about it? Because we are different?
Why should these hypothetical women's feelings excuse discriminating against and segregating an entire demographic of women?
I know no woman who has said trans women in the bathroom make her uncomfortable. I've never even seen one.
A lesbians dating preference may be for gold star, should we ban women who have slept with men from lesbian spaces? A lesbian can just choose to not fucking date trans women.
The thought that someone may have been a man once. How horrible. What if she was raped by a woman? Should we ban women from women's spaces to protect survivors?
Do you have evidence for that claim? I promise there are enough factors discouraging participation in women's sports, funding, historical norms, cultural expectations, direct sexism, existing power structures, training opportunities, school opportunities, etc, so forth.
If i sign off as a transgender does it invalidate my feelings as a woman?
Trans women are women, but forcing women to emotionally react to trans women as if they were cis women is not a decision we can or should make for them. Feelings don’t care about your facts.
Not to medicalise this this shit but you can make the exact same argument for anyone who's encountering a high needs neurodivergent, or someone who requires assistive devices, or someone who is heavily scarred, etc. Because the issues here are "I don't like how they deviate from what I think X people should look like" and "I am making preconceived potential behaviours up to be "frightened" of" aka Bias.
And they can both go square back up the arse they came from. It's not transwomen's fault your parents never taught you humanity was diverse
Two sides of lemmy:
Trans women are women
And this kind of "I swear I'm not a republican but trans women aren't women" opinion...
TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN
What is a woman? Can you answer that without using circular definitions?
Edit: once again, the simple question has everyone stumped.
Societal concepts of women certainly come from biology originally, there would be no concept of sex if there was no Y chromosome, but honestly to me: a woman is whoever identifies as woman. Just like sexuality, it's just an innate part of who you are. Most women are female and birth, but I don't give slightest fuck that there are women who aren't female at birth. Just like I don't give a fuck that there are men who are attracted to other men.
Like who cares. If your birth certificate says your name is Steve, but you go by Paul, who the fuck am I to protest that it's not your name given to you by your parents?
The question doesn't stump me, I just think it's a colossal waste of time.
You can identify however you bloody like, why should I care? As long as you're understanding if I mix up your pronouns, then it affects me literally not at all
I said without circular definitions. You can’t define the word “woman” using the word “woman”.
The full answer, which is boring as hell, doesn't prove your position - and in my opinion - is a waste of time (and I kind already stated above in other words):
Original societal concepts of what a "woman" is come from biological sex. No doubt about that. What what many consider gender now isn't the same as that.
Same as marriage isn't some natural phenomena. Society isn't really "natural" either.
If someone FEELS like they are a woman, then they are to me, what more do we really NEED to define it as? What purpose can it possibly serve?
The concept of a "woman" is still vaguely based on historical ideas of what a woman is - but what a woman is isn't some fixed concept. Women used to be seen like second class citizens without the right to vote, who should stay at home, and obey their husbands. That was what some cultures defined as being a woman.
No one's forcing you to be attracted to a woman who was male at birth. Literally how does this affect you or anyone else?
Christ, identity politics is such a waste of time. Why do you give a shit what equipment people have in their pants? It's weird.
If someone FEELS like they are a woman
Feels like a what? Define "woman" without using the word woman.
A woman is an adult human female. You can't "feel" like a woman, you just are or are not one.
Literally how does this affect you or anyone else?
I have daughters. I have a wife. I don't want them losing opportunities that are meant for women to males. I don't want them sharing changing rooms or bathrooms, made for women, with males. They don't want to because it makes them uncomfortable in a place where they should be safe and comfortable. Essentially all sexual assaults are committed by males on females. If there are no males in a female place, the females are safer than if there are.
Essentially all sexual assaults are committed by males on females.
This is the biggest brain-dead take out of all of them. Go ahead, please do find any study that shows trans women commit assaults at anywhere near the rates of cis men. Because if this is the argument you're trying to make, you had better actually have some evidence for it.
Feels like a what? Define "woman" without using the word woman.
You keep saying this like it's some gotcha, but clearly you haven't read my comments. I already told you (twice) definitions do stem originally from biological sex, I've already conceded this from the very beginning, but that I still don't think this matters or is a terribly convincing reason to say "nope you're not a woman because historically our ideas of what a woman is stem entirely from DNA and your sex organs". Agree to disagree on this I guess. Again it's weird how you want to make sure people have vaginas.
This triggers you massively, it seems.
I have daughters. I have a wife. I don't want them losing opportunities that are meant for women to males. I don't want them sharing changing rooms or bathrooms, made for women, with males. They don't want to because it makes them uncomfortable in a place where they should be safe and comfortable. Essentially all sexual assaults are committed by males on females. If there are no males in a female place, the females are safer than if there are.
As above, you're just asserting something about safety, but I also wanted to add that 1. Changing rooms and bathrooms really should be separate stalls. It's really weird (to me) that you're expected to change in a room with other people in it. 2. What opportunities? Vaguely sport is the only one that could make sense to me - but we can create new categories there not based on gender too (there are weight classes in certain sports, wouldn't be crazy to do something similar there too bases on biology, and not gender)...
Basically. Get a grip mate. This is such a tiny issue.
Identify politics is such a waste of time.
I'd much rather be talking about fighting the ruling class, they're actually impacting our lives...
This is the biggest brain-dead take out of all of them. Go ahead, please do find any study that shows trans women commit assaults at anywhere near the rates of cis men. Because if this is the argument you’re trying to make, you had better actually have some evidence for it.
Way to miss the point. Trans women are males, therefor are significantly more likely to sexually assault a woman than a female is. Letting trans women have unfettered access to womens safe spaces is like letting a wolf into the hen house.
I already told you (twice) definitions do stem originally from biological sex, I’ve already conceded this from the very beginning, but that I still don’t think this matters or is a terribly convincing reason to say “nope you’re not a woman because historically our ideas of what a woman is stem entirely from DNA and your sex organs”.
You still can't define what a woman is though. I'm asking you to give me your definition of "woman" without using the word woman. If you can't it means that woman can't be defined, and that means it essentially doesn't exist. It erases women. It's deeply misogynistic.
This triggers you massively, it seems.
lol good one. Right back at you buddy.
Changing rooms and bathrooms really should be separate stalls.
They are? Women don't all just stand around peeing on the floor lol. Being separate stalls doesn't change the fact that if you let men in to the women's safe space, women are no longer safe. Women have to go in and out of the stalls still.
What opportunities? Vaguely sport is the only one that could make sense to me - but we can create new categories there not based on gender too (there are weight classes in certain sports, wouldn’t be crazy to do something similar there too bases on biology, and not gender)…
Women's sport was not created because of gender, it was created because of sex. Males and females are biologically different, and women would win literally nothing if they had to compete against men - hence, Women's sport. Go find a women's sport world record that is even comparable to the corresponding men's one. Good luck.
It's not just sports either, it's everything from scholarships to jobs to awards, and many more. Basically everything that was separated by Sex. They were done so because men and women are fundamentally different.
Basically. Get a grip mate. This is such a tiny issue.
It's not a tiny issue for women though. If it's such a tiny issue, why can't trans women just use the men's spaces? Trans women are in less danger in a men's room than women are with a trans woman in a women's room, factually and statistically.
I’d much rather be talking about fighting the ruling class, they’re actually impacting our lives…
It's possible to talk about more than 1 issue at a time.
Hormones are a reasonable line to draw it on, as it is testosterone that makes men strong and which makes some men dangerous
Hormones? No lol. That’s not a reasonable line at all. That’s one of the least reasonable lines to draw it on.