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[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

It looks cool, but to me, if it's not being offered for around $500, then it's just a pc replacement in my eyes. From the questions he asked, it definitely seems like it's going to cost more than $800.

Good timing though, get your system out first before the next generation starts releasing at the end of next year or 2027. From what I have seen, the first to release generally does the best.

My problem seems to be how much it talks about the ps5. It's been 5 years, so of course, better hardware can fit into smaller space. My problem with that is generally any hardware that compacts it this much will run into heating issues a few years into owning it so I would absolutely prefer the bigger ps5 anyday which has shown no issues so far. Also, they were comparing it to the ps5 alot which is a 5 year old system. I would hope it does significantly better!

I also would like to know more about the OS. Is it just the steam deck OS slapped on this, or is it customized more? I would want/hope they deliver the things that a console offers and more that make it more convenient than just a PC.

Overall, I am interested in this, but if it really does costs as much as I think it will, I am not sure who this will ultimately be marketed to, and I could be wrong, but I doubt it will sell enough for them to say it was a success lets make more. They do have the money to throw at it though, so I guess that was enough for them to take a stab at it after the success of the steam deck.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As much work as the Verge article says they put into cooling, I’m not too worried about heat issues

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

While the main cooling system is important, the thermal interface material they pick is also a big deal with systems intended to not be user serviced and with long lasting lifetimes like consoles... It honestly depends a lot on what TIM they decided to go with. Traditional thermal pastes are cheap but almost always dry out after just a few years causing much higher temps. Liquid metal is great, but more expensive and you must design it right, vertical orientation can cause leakage if not properly designed (some laptops end up having issues because of this). Phase change material is probably the optimal middle ground for ease of installation, and simplified design.

[–] Orygin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

Watch the gamer nexus video if you want more info on the cooling. Iirc they use phase change TIM for the CPU and paste for the GPU.
They also talk about how they designed the case to avoid it being choked

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The skin community is going to be all over the swappable panels like butter on hot corn.

Edit That didn't take long...

https://dbrand.com/shop/limited-edition/companion-cube

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[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The controller would've been an instant buy for me if it had asymmetric sticks but I'll wait for it to come out and give it a try before I make a decision.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm down to buy the new controller. I have a Steam Deck and it's very comfortable to hold, other than the weight. This thing is basically the Deck controls without the screen and a bunch of the weight.

Plus, I've personally found the gyro, trackpads, and back buttons to be extremely useful for games that don't have controller support, or for simply easier use of existing buttons (like putting L3/R3 on back buttons). I'm really looking forward to this, looks way better than the 2015 Steam Controller.

Lastly, that charging connector / wireless adapter all-in-one combo is just nice.

My only concern would be haptics. This really needs to have good rumble motors, and not just trackpad haptics like the deck. The pad haptics are good for subtle effects, but near useless for conveying actual heavy vibration, explosions, stuff like that. Sounds like they accounted for this though:

High definition rumble

Steam Controller's powerful motors are capable of handling complex waveforms for immersive, accurate haptics.

That sounds closer to something like the PS5 DualSense enhanced haptics, and if so, I'm here for it.

[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

My experience with the Steam Deck and the Index controllers are the only thing keeping me from writing it off my mind all together. I have faith in Valve's team when it comes to ergonomics so I hope they surprise me.

That said, I hope they improved on the Steam Deck because the face buttons on the Deck are so close to the edge that it's challenging to do quick presses for games like rhythm games.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah, Sony really nailed the haptics with the PS5 controller. The high-fidelity motors feel nice while still having punch, and the adaptable triggers give a nice satisfying squeeze when game designers use it properly.

The newer God of War games had a few good examples, with the adaptable triggers getting harder on more “difficult” stuff. If Kratos was using a lot of strength for some quick time event, the triggers got harder to pull. It was a nice touch that helped add immersion and suspense to a game that was already very visceral. When Kratos cleaved into an enemy during a kill animation, feeling the trigger relax afterwards was a nice satisfying capstone to the “you just beat the crap out of this enemy” animation.

[–] LucidNightmare@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

No Man's sky supports the adaptive triggers on PC (Steam) and when they are used, it really does make a little difference! I just always feel like it's going to break the triggers for some reason. I don't trust Sony, so that may be why. lol

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 5 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

It's insane. Seemingly everyone but Sony figured out decades ago it's a terrible idea, and Valve does it anyway.

At least it has concave sticks, which weren't on PlayStation until 2013.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I actually prefer Sony’s symmetrical design, but that’s probably because the PS1 was the first console I owned as a kid. I played other consoles like the NES/SNES/N64/Saturn/DreamCast at friends’ houses, but the PS1 was the first console that was truly mine. And I went straight from the PS1 to the PS2 in my early teens. The DualShock controller was the one I grew up playing the most, so it’s the one I’m most familiar with using. The Xbox 360 generation definitely tends to prefer asymmetry though, which is really just a matter of preference.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

It’s possible placing the thumb sticks in some slightly different way helps to avoid patent issues.

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[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

I'm excited but i won't accept it until I see the price. If it turns out good this would be a stark upgrade to my PC, but it has to be comparable in price.

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was hesitant about upgrading my ancient computer because I didn't want to spend $1,200 - $2000 on a new setup. This looks like a great option.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This isn't going to be a high end machine, it's probably competitive with the PS5, more or less.

You didn't mention what you have, but you could probably get a decent upgrade competitive with this for well under $1200. The GPU seems to be about an RX 7600 ($250-260), the CPU is about a 7600 ($190), motherboard is $170, and 16GB RAM is $120. So $700-800 mandatory, plus whatever you need to replace from your current rig, and the result should be a bit faster than the Steam Machine. That's probably a bit more than the Steam Machine, but it's upgradeable, whereas the Steam Machine won't be.

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol, my dumb computer is running DDR3 / no TPM, it's super old. I have been waiting for video cards to get better/cheaper. I'm totally down with not the fastest. If it plays 90% of my games, costs less than $600. I just read that it's six times more powerful than the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck can run Cyberpunk 2077, so this will do just fine. Another thing that I really like is that Valve is verifying games for their hardware. The games it can't run, I guess I won't play. I'm sold!

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Is it a console? Isn't it a tiny prebuilt?

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean… What is a console, but a prebuilt running custom firmware and manufacturer’s OS? You can literally install Linux on a jailbroken PS5. Old consoles were obviously bespoke pieces of hardware that wouldn’t match any computer OS… But modern consoles are closer to prebuilt PCs than they are to old consoles.

It’s meant to be used with a TV, just like a console is. It’s targeting the console crowd, to try and capture that wing of the market and bring the console players into the PC ecosystem. It’s also trying to give PC players the flexibility to play in their living room, instead of at a computer desk.

That last part is primarily what I use my Steam Deck for right now. And it’s why I’m excited to potentially have something a little more powerful than the Steam Deck for my TV. My partner started to resent my gaming habits. After some discussions, we figured out that it was because they couldn’t cuddle me when I was at my computer desk. They missed the physical snuggle time that we got on the couch. So I got a Steam Deck, and made a point of shifting my gaming habits to be able to play more games on the couch.

Suddenly, the complaints about my gaming dried up. Because they could snuggle up next to me and read a book or scroll on TikTok while I played, which is all they really wanted. I’m still able to play my game to de-stress after work, they get their physical touch time, and we’re both happy. The only real change was in what kinds of games I played, because I had to shift more towards controller-based games instead of Keyboard+Mouse games. So fewer shooters, more hack-n-slash type stuff. But I enjoy playing both, so I just wait until after they go to bed to play the KB+M games at my desk.

And thus far, my only real complaint about the setup has been that the Steam Deck has started to struggle to run newer games. It was never meant to be a super high powered top-of-the-line device. The first consideration was portability, which meant they had to make some concessions on processing power in order to get an acceptable battery life. But with a standalone TV console, that isn’t really a big factor. So the standalone console can be much more powerful, because it’s not needing to take things like battery power consumption into account.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago

All is console, console is all.

[–] who@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't even read all that. But I'll trust your judgment. 👍

[–] who@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sorry for being so wordy. ;)

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

sometimes i'm just lazy 🤗

Yes, just like the Steam Deck, it's a pre-built that functions like a console and can do other desktop stuff too.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Frankly, the Xbox One and the PS4 marked those vendors transition to 'tiny prebuilts', by the standards one might call this a 'tiny prebuilt'.

One could fairly argue that Switch is "just a gaming tablet/phone"

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago
[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

is it ambitious? is that what you would call it

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think so. It's trying to compete with Microsoft and Sony consoles in much the same way that Steam Deck competed with the Switch. Taking on the largest segment of gaming outside mobile is pretty ambitious. It seems to be launching along with a new VR headset and a new controller, so they seem to be targeting high volume sales for the living room gaming market.

The hardware isn't the ambitious part, the target market is.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Absolutely! The opinions you see on platforms like Lemmy or Reddit don’t necessarily reflect the views of the actual target market. Many of those users are casual gamers. These are people who own a phone and an Xbox, and that’s the extent of their gaming experience.

That market is HUGE. Valve is offering accessibility, convenience, and comparable (to consoles) performance without the complexity of PC gaming. I think it's a fantastic move, and I’m genuinely excited to see it succeed. I have long wanted to play with more of my work friends who fall into this category.

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

There is something else you forgot, Steam has a library with thousands of games. More games than most console's entire libraries combined.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The hardware is also the ambitious part - if they managed to figure out cooling of that hardware in that form factor, it's one of the most impressive feats of recent years!

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[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

The Verge

oh boy, here we go.

I've got my swiss army screwdriver ready.

[–] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Lemmy sure is doing a lot of the marketing work for the Steam machines I see.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 weeks ago

God forbid people posting the most exciting gaming-related hardware news of the past 5 years on a Gaming community! Must be all paid shills, I gues.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Lots of Linux and gaming enthusiasts in the platform. Still better of the latest pedotrump news.

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