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You know, immutable enterprise systems.

I installed HeliumOS (Almalinux bootc) on a corebooted Chromebook. Works really well, but audio needs to be configured.

The script needs a recent python which is not available there.

Go and rust can be installed for a user only. Is there something similar for python?

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[–] undrivendev@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] charolastra@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Plus one for pyenv

[–] ziddey@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps overkill for your use case, but uv is pretty great. I suppose you could just use it to install a local python and then add it to your path.

[–] merk@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

This was going to be my recommendation as well.

[–] liliumstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You might consider trying Miniconda, a version of Anaconda. It installs a local python environment of your choosing at a user level. https://docs.anaconda.com/miniconda/

[–] lemming934@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I prefer Micromamba since it's faster at solving environments.

[–] GiveOver@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

You can also set the solver to use libmamba if you've already installed miniconda

[–] N0x0n@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I Gave it a try on macOS a few days ago because brew and python is a dependencie hell and way to much workarounds to make some scripts to work properly when specific versions of packages are needed...

Miniconda actually made it work fine, without to much hassle. I'm kinda impressed.

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If you can install nix (you can install it per user) then you can have whatever you want in a temporary shell with nix-shell -p python

nix profile install nixpkgs#python if you want it actually installed

Home manager is also entirely user level I believe and lets you use a declarative config too

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Home-manager > nix profile

Also, nix-shell is supposed to be used for debugging, and nix shell/run/develop for using packages without installing them

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Does home manager work standalone without having nix first? I've never installed it on non-nixos

Nix shell is absolutely for running packages without installing them it literally tells you to do that in the terminal hint

Nix run iirc only works with flakes

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, it builds on top of nix. But it seems like the only real option for declarative package management.

Nix shell and nix-shell are different commands

https://discourse.nixos.org/t/nix-shell-nix-shell-and-nix-develop/25964/4

Nix run iirc only works with flakes

So does nix shell

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nix shell -p works without flakes enabled

[–] Shareni@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
$ nix shell -p python
error: unrecognised flag '-p'
Try 'nix --help' for more information.
[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sorry I meant nix-shell -p, I didn't read your original comment properly apparently

It's definitely an option as op wants to run one script from the sounds of it, nix-shell not nix shell is perfect for that

It's a bit needlessly confusing that there are two entirely separate commands with the same name and thought you were talking about the original one

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[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I tried to get install instructions for home-manager and they only had them if you are already on nix?

I didnt get it

[–] flashgnash@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd try installing just regular nix (package manager, not operating system) rather than home manager, that's what I do on by Debian pi

There's an install script on their website that does it all for you

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Nice! Yes I will do that. What is the difference between the 2?

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Careful, there's three different terms in the mix here:

NixOS: an entire operating system, you don't need this.

nix: the nix package manager. This is what you'll need to install. look for single user install in the instructions.

home-manager: a module for nix. It's aim is to allow declarative configuration of a users' home configuration (and allow easier per-user install of packages on a global nix install).

If you want to go down the nix route, which I would recommend if you enjoy tinkering and having fine control over your system, you should start with installing nix. With that, you can already setup a shell that has the newest version of python available.

Going beyond that, I can link you some more resources, if you want c:

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

So "nix install" means placing a nix binary somewhere in my user $PATH?

Can you use pyenv for the script?

@boredsquirrel
One solution could be to install uv for a single user, and use that to install and run a Python interpreter.

https://docs.astral.sh/uv/getting-started/installation/

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

You should be able to have multiple versions with an environment manager, maybe customize your shell profile to alias python to the one you want and the other users can alias to the one they want. I’m sure there’s a better way, but I strongly dislike python every time I try to learn it because Perl was the first language I learned, ruining me for strongly opinionated languages.

[–] scratchandgame@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Compile it, install it to your ~/bin.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

~/.local/bin ;)

But yes, great idea.

I found a script online that installed the tar archive. For some reason that version of python still wasnt used, and invoking it with python3.12.6 or something didnt do anything

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Have you considered using pipx + poetry?

[–] Boxscape@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe a tooling manager like mise or asdf.

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you put it in the ~/bin or something and modify the $path to go there first?

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

~/.local/bin you mean?

;)

Yes I tried that, and got like 6 different solutions to do this so I will see :)

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes . Local/bin, good looking out.

Does your which program name report the right one?

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not yet fixed, no motivation

I currently use this workaround ;)

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Tbh I would probably never fix it if that worked. What’s a little dongle between friends.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago
[–] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not familiar with HeliumOS specifically, but for a generic atomic distro I would try layering Python temporarily, and then getting rid of it when you're done.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I see from the github ticket you need 3.10 .

There's an EPEL clone, apparently, that bundles a python3.10 package.

MAYBE this is your process:

yum* install dnf-plugins-core
yum config-manager --add-repo=https://pkgs.dyn.su/el9/base/x86_64/
yum install python3.10

Then use it like /usr/bin/python3.10 . Remove it and the repo after.

*I avoid using DidNotFinish(dnf) even though I know it's an alias.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

Loooool

I thought there was no rpm-ostree but there is.

Well, lets layer some stuff!

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