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[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nothing, and I mean nothing, can convince me to have a child.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 months ago

And air fryers are the new plants.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What if we trapped JD Vance in the body of an immortal baby you could endlessly neglect?

[–] trigg@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'd like evidence he isn't currently an immortal baby.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

He sure is an immoral one.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He is clearly going for the "immortal baby" look, I'll give you that, but it is obvious he is just a poser and not a real immortal baby.

JD is no Danny Devito.

Real immortal babies emerge naked from couches, fake ones try to nakedly penetrate into them.

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[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

See, I'd still have to see, hear, smell the thing.

There is no element of a child under the age of say 10 that I enjoy at all.

That horrible shriek they make, happy or sad sounds exactly the same to me, makes my skin crawl.

No babies, not ever. Death before diapers!

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The only thing I like about kids is I can take them to whatever goofy place I want and get them to give it a shot. Got my nephew and niece hooked on hotpot and dumplings.

Being an uncle kicks ass. Would I want kids of my own though? Questionable.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 57 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This isn't how you get me to have a kid. This is how you get me to dodge taxes.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh well that's happening regardless.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago

Then we may cross paths again.

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[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I may be misremembering... because we're in the process of "correcting" our history but:

Wasn't "no taxation without representation" kinda a foundation on which this nation was formed? Just sayin'

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago (16 children)

Unless you live in a US territory or DC, you have representation.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This sort of America-centric analysis neglects the fact that birth rates have also dropped to well below replacement in other countries with governments and cultures very different from those in the USA, and that neither expanding the welfare state nor attempting to restore traditional values has reversed this trend in the countries that tried that. Thus a discussion of either potential causes or potential solutions which focuses specifically on the USA is fundamentally incomplete.

[–] zout@fedia.io 30 points 2 months ago (5 children)

potential solutions

Birth rates below replacement is the solution imo. It may not be wat the rich want, but I think a population of 8 billion is not sustainable.

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[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

This comment presupposes that “below replacement rate” is a problem in need of a solution.

Yes, in a few thousand years it might be a problem. However, population growth is a problem for the next few decades at least.

[–] nemith@programming.dev 37 points 2 months ago

We have this already. It's called dependant deduction.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 2 months ago

Families and having dependents already gives you tax breaks, ergo not having kids already is taxing childlessness.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Counterpoint to JD:

I am autistic.

Surely you don't want me generating more autists, right?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry you'll be "relocated" soon.

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[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Just don't eat tylenol, apparently.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Right right, my stupid autism brain is still stuck in 'reality' where there is pretty strong genetic inheritance, a heritability component to autism.

Ok, so new instructions are... apparently... generate a child by some arcane means, natural or unnatural, BUT, under no circumstances allow the target of my impregnation powers to use any Tylenol for 9 months.


I phrase this as cringily as possible to convey the concept that this is an incel tax.

It is a tax on incels.

....The only way this could even theoretically work is if it was also paired with a uh, Nazi style Aryan broodmother / assigned wife type program.

So, I guess, get ready for that soon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensborn

Somewhat of a sticking point:

The Nazis aborted pregnancies from the racially impure and those suspected to be born with a disability.

So... not quite sure how the theocrats will feel about that.

[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I can assure you this is directed at white able bodied "normies"

I'm a minority with a professional degree in a profession that has more job openings than candidates, especially in rural areas like JD had grown up in. I know in my heart he would deport me without question, regardless of if I were American born, to the homeland of my ancestors. I'd imagine he would find my humanist values quite disturbing.

They want an Aryan nation as Hitler envisioned it. They're convinced it will be utopian. If not, it'll at least allow them to deify themselves as the white people they've sold the "master race" lie to are loyal to them to the point of self immolation.

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[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 months ago

Ok. So let's talk about the two scenarios here if you can't afford kids.

  1. You're taxed for childlessness, likely at an amount above the cost of a child or two, to "encourage" you to have children. You are now unable to afford that tax and thus, risk jail.

  2. You have a child when you can't afford it to avoid the tax, and now have to bring up a child you cannot afford to raise in a government that actively doesn't want to help you in any way.

In short. You're fucked either way.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ahh. Lebensborn. I should have made a bingo card with all the keywords of Nazi Germany. The Trump administration has it all. Censorship, GeStaPo, apartheit against minorities, Reichsparteitag, ignoring the law, using emergency laws to ursurp the rule, concentration camps...

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[–] 0ndead@infosec.pub 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Stop paying taxes altogether, you say?

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Small government in action.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When the communists got the same idea in Romania, it failed spectacularly, filling orphanages with abused orphans

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[–] wavebeam@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I have two adopted kids, but no biological children. I had a vasectomy after the adoption was finalized. My wife and i have a theoretical decade left where she can (unsafely) carry a child. We do not want more children. Would I be fucked if this happened? What if you conceive but have miscarriages? Would you be punished for something outside your control?

The answer to all of these is probably "Yes, the cruelty is the point"

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They need everyone to pop out a ton of babies so we can have child labor replace the migrant farm workers they deported.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Child labor has a years-long lead time. The only way this would actually work is if they planned on staying in power for at least 7 more years.

So... yeah, that checks out.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 2 months ago

You know who this punishes more than just childless heterosexuals?

That's right. Couch fuckers. Unless his Chesterfield gets pregnant with an ottoman... 🤔

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Taking a page from Putin's playbook. Anything but to alleviate the cost of living crisis, which is the main reason for people not having children. It is also a thinly veiled attempt to reassert dominance on women.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Can’t wait for my government assigned trad wife

[–] Sarie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago

Losing the incel vote will for go well for them

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

I've always thought it's insane we pay people to have children, but sure let's take that even further and tax those who don't.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago
[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 months ago

Slaves needed. Inquire within.

[–] iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Did JD Vance have kids by fucking his couch before his wife sat on it?

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago
[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

The article is worth a read and is not about jd Vance. That's just a anecdote from the article. They touch on the different approaches and motivations behind the pronatalism movement. The article ends on a non-apocalyptic and non-proscriptive note.

[–] YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It makes political sense for them to demonise certain groups. The childfree movement has been quite vocal (or at least well publicised) of late, and it's super-easy to cherry pick some of the more extreme viewpoints from that 'community' and weaponise it against 'normal' people, conflating those opinions with the so-called left (as if deciding wether or not you have kids defines who you are politically). It's easy fodder for the media and, as always, successfully distracts much of the population from the fact that they're being bled dry by billionaires.

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