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[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think they're too big to bail out at this point

Also, no one wants US bonds right now, so we couldn't borrow our way out of it even if we wanted to. We'd just have to print like a trillion or more dollars all at once

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago

With the financial genius in the white house, I wouldn’t rule that out.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (6 children)
[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Relative to a second currency, as a derivative on the foreign exchange market.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Same way you short anything else, you borrow it, sell it, and then buy it back once the price has dropped, and return it.

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Really anything that has value outside of a currency, and the funny part is that raw materials often out preform other ways of investing like GICs. Not talking about silver or gold but like a literal ton of copper or iron ore.

Now the trick is where to put the stuff...

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not talking about silver or gold but like a literal ton of copper or iron ore.

Meth powers activate.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Ha, the sad part is that meth use will increase inversely relative to the average households buying power. Meth is always affordable... just need to rip the wires out of your houses skin.

I first noticed the raw material value oddity was years ago when a bank was trying to sell me on a saving product, the return was below inflation and therefor useless. So I looked it up and if I bought a large amount of lead, and put it in my yard the lead cube would (even with the lead being loss into my grass) be worth enough after 10 years to give a better return then what the bank was offering.

[–] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago
[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

You could always play the foreign exchange market. It's an interesting idea, usually quite stupid, but if you get the timing of the USD collapse right, there's money to be made.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The only possible customer for committed datacenter projects is the US government. the bailout is just buying all the datacenter time... because if not, China wins. Amazon, despite no congressional appropriations yet, has announced $50B datacenter to supply government customers.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

China wins what? Except if they already won by far, they have similar AI, with similarly high costs and similarly low value, similarly not worth it. Either they also invest big and will crash just as hard, or they don't and they're just enjoying the show of US suiciding its economy through AI.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

If you ever stream cable news in the background during business hours. experts will come on to tell you that if the US doesn't bankrupt itself, then Russia or China wins. The only remaining hope for US economy seems to be to beat China at AI, because it can't beat it at anything else. So, all the money for military, and AI to help military make Skynet, which will mostly be used to ensure establishment can control/kill Americans who don't support Skynet for Israel supremacist rule over the US, is simply a continuation of the tautology of "all US money for militarist US establishment control over all of you", but with more efficient AI.