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Australia Post releases footage of posties being hit by cars as it urges drivers to ‘keep an eye out’ (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 1 month ago by cm0002@sh.itjust.works to c/fuckcars@lemmy.ca

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

didn't come to a stop entering a circle

??? That's...not a thing. On roundabouts, you give way to vehicles already on the roundabout. If there's no one for you to give way to, you don't stop. Clips 1, 2, and 3 all clearly show the postie entering the roundabout long before the car driver did, and then being struck in the side by the car.

I don't know for sure what the law is where you are, but I had a quick look at Danish roundabout laws and as far as I can tell the laws in this respect are identical.

Clip 4 and 5 are unclear, but seem likely to be signalised intersections, where the postie is going straight and a car is turning right across their path. In that circumstance, there are three common possibilities:

The car had a green right turn arrow. The postie had a red light. Postie is in the wrong (though arguably the car is also liable for driving without due care: even if you have right of way, that's not a legal excuse to hit someone who failed to correctly give way to you).
Both car and postie had a green "go" light. Car had no turning light. Neither red nor green. In this case, car is allowed to turn right, but only after giving way to anyone going straight or turning left from the oncoming lane. Car failed to give way.
Car had a red right turn arrow. Postie had green go light.

Considering they shared the video, 2 is overwhelmingly more likely. 2 also rules out anyone blatantly running a red light, which is certainly less common than failing to give way when you were allowed to go so long as you give way, though it's by no means uncommon.

Clip 6 is also unclear, but seems to be an uncontrolled T-intersection where postie is on the main/continuing road and the car is on the other leg. Vehicles on the side street are required to give way to vehicles on the continuing road, which car failed to do.

[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

??? That’s…not a thing.

Apologies, I made an ass out of myself for assuming the traffic laws in Australia were more like those of the USA when I wrote that.

I don’t know for sure what the law is where you are, but I had a quick look at Danish roundabout laws and as far as I can tell the laws in this respect are identical.

And yeah, in Denmark we don't have to come to a full stop either.

Clips 1, 2, and 3 all clearly show the postie entering the roundabout long before the car driver did, and then being struck in the side by the car.

For clip 1-3 they clearly had right of way.

Clip 4 and 5 are unclear, but seem likely to be signalised intersections, where the postie is going straight and a car is turning right across their path.

I don't know what happened in clip 4 either.
I guess clip 5 is the one that made me respond like I did, but honestly, as a bicyclist I've been close to doing the same, where you sort of assume the flow of traffic will continue and you want to weave in after the other trafficant, but then they stop.

Clip 6 is also unclear, but seems to be an uncontrolled T-intersection where postie is on the main/continuing road and the car is on the other leg. Vehicles on the side street are required to give way to vehicles on the continuing road, which car failed to do.

Yep, you're right, that car should've waited.

I wasn't trying to waste your time, but I'm glad you helped clear this up.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago

assuming the traffic laws in Australia were more like those of the USA

Maybe there's some part of America where you have to stop before entering a roundabout. The country is fucking insane in many ways so I wouldn't be surprised if there's an exception somewhere. But it's definitely not the norm.

To be fair, in one clip (from memory I think it was 5?) the postie really didn't do himself any favours by looking in the opposite direction to where the car was coming from, so he reacted way later than he would have.